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>> IT'S NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING HERE.
[ CALL TO ORDER]
WE ARE IN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING JOINT SESSION.IT'S THURSDAY, MARCH 27TH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 9:00 AM.
ALL ITEMS LISTED ARE POTENTIAL ACTION ITEMS UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED.
THE ORDER OF ITEMS MAY BE MODIFIED AT THE MEETING.
NOTE, ONE OR MORE BOARD MEMBERS MAY ATTEND TELEPHONICALLY OR VIRTUALLY. EVERYBODY IS HERE.
BOARD MEMBERS ATTENDING TELEPHONICALLY OR VIRTUALLY WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT THE MEETINGS.
PURSUIT TO ARS 38-431.03A AND 3, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINING LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE PHYSICAL ACCESS TO THE MEETING LOCATION 15 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND WRITTEN COMMENTS ON CURRENT AGENDA ITEMS WILL BE RECEIVED BY THE CLERK OF THE BOARD'S OFFICE AT CLERKOFTHEBOARD.WEB@YAVAPAIAZ.GOV 24 HOURS PRIOR TO THE BOARD MEETING.
>> MATT BLAKE, PLANNING MANAGER.
>> MARK LUSSON, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
>> JEREMY DYE, ASSIST DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
>> CHARLIE PETER, DISTRICT 3, PLANNING AND ZONING.
>> JIM PETERSON, DISTRICT 4, PLANNING AND ZONING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT 2 P&Z.
>> SANDY GRIFFITHS, DISTRICT 5, PLANNING AND ZONING. HERE.
>> JIM STEWART, DISTRICT 1. HERE.
>> [INAUDIBLE], DISTRICT 3. PRESENT.
>> LINDA BUCHANAN, DISTRICT 2, PLANNING AND ZONING. PRESENT.
>> KEVIN OSTERMAN, PLANNING AND ZONING, DISTRICT 1.
>> PHIL BOURDON, PLANNING AND ZONING, DISTRICT 5,.
>> DAN CHERRY, PLANNING AND ZONING, DISTRICT 4.
>> CHRIS KUKNYO, SUPERVISOR DISTRICT 4.
>> NIKKI CHECK, DISTRICT 3 SUPERVISOR.
I'M FEELING BETTER, BUT PLEASE EXCUSE MY VOICE TODAY.
>> WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE FEELING BETTER, AND WE'RE SURE GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR SURE.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO GO INTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING IN YOUR JOINT SESSION.
I AM NOW GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR, JEREMY DYE.
[ 1. Opening Remarks 2. Goals of Meeting 3. Department Overview, Accomplishments, and Development Activity 4. Agricultural Exemption - Sections 201 and 505 Revision 5. Zoning Ordinance Update 6. Water Resources and Open Space Committee 7. General Discussion/Round Table]
HE HAS THE OPENING REMARKS, AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH YOU, SIR.>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND AGAIN, CHAIR MALLORY, VICE CHAIR COMPTON, AND ALSO CHAIRMAN STEWART AND VICE CHAIR GRIFFITHS AND BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONERS.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS JEREMY DYE.
I'M THE DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN YAVAPAI COUNTY.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER AS WE DO TWICE A YEAR FOR OUR JOINT SESSION.
WE'VE GOT SOME EXCITING THINGS TO REALLY TALK ABOUT FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THESE THINGS.
JUST AS I LIKE TO DO, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME FOR A MOMENT, JUST TO INTRODUCE OUR TEAM HERE TOO FOR PLANNING.
WE HAVE STEPHANIE JOHNSON, OUR PLANNER AND JIM MOLSON BACK HERE, BJ RATLIFF [PHONETIC], OUR SENIOR PLANNER, BECCA SARAKAS, AND THEN SUSAN ABER, OUR PLANNER.
THEN BACK HERE AT MISSION CONTROL, SUZANNE JORDAN AND ANDREA SHELTON.
OF COURSE, WE APPRECIATE DREW DUDLEY FROM ITS HERE, MAKING SURE THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY IS TAKEN CARE OF AND RUNNING SMOOTHLY AS WELL.
ALSO AT THE TABLE HERE, PLANNING MANAGER, MATT BLAKE, AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR MARK LUSSON.
IF YOU'VE EVER SPENT ANY AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING TO ME, YOU KNOW THAT I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR TEAM IN PLANNING AND IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AS A WHOLE.
WE HAVE A FANTASTIC TEAM, AND I'M EXCITED TO SHARE SOME OF OUR INITIATIVES WITH YOU AS WELL.
JUST AS WE MOVE INTO OUR OPENING REMARKS A LITTLE BIT.
ALSO, MY VERY FIRST OPENING REMARK IS JUST TO THANK SUPERVISOR KUKNYO AND COMMISSIONER KARTHAR [PHONETIC] FOR HELPING US TO SET UP THE ROOM THIS MORNING AS WELL WHEN WE REALLY WALKED IN.
JUST AS A POINT OF HOUSEKEEPING, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S COFFEE, MUFFINS, SOME OTHER SNACK ITEMS, AND SO FORTH BACK IN THE BACK ROOM THERE, AND WATER AS WELL, SO FEEL FREE TO GRAB THAT AS NEEDED.
WE'VE GOT SOME EXCITING THINGS GOING GOING ON HERE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO AS PART OF OUR JOINT SESSION, IS TO JUST GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF A DEPARTMENT UPDATE, THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THINGS THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED, THINGS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SET FORWARD AS GOALS AND INITIATIVES.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY BE NEWER,
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OUR JOINT SESSION IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO TWICE A YEAR.WE DO A SPRING JOINT SESSION AND A FALL JOINT SESSION TO TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, THINGS THAT WE SEE THAT MAY NEED ORDINANCE ADJUSTMENTS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT OUR AGENDA TODAY IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF, BUT REALLY THE BULK OF THIS MEETING IS GOING TO BE REALLY AN UPDATE ON STARTING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE PROCESS.
ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY BRING TO YOU AS PART OF JOINT SESSION TO DISCUSS ARE REALLY GOING TO BE ROLLED UP INTO THAT ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE.
JUST MOVING FORWARD HERE, THOSE ARE REALLY OUR GOALS OF THE MEETING TODAY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
TAKE CARE OF A COUPLE OF OTHER PRESENTATIONS AND REALLY DIVE INTO THAT ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE OF WHICH WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE AN INTEGRAL PART.
ONE THING TOO JUST TO MENTION IS OUR ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE EVER DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THE COUNTY ADOPTED A ZONING ORDINANCE IN 1968, AND IT'S BEEN UPDATED INCREMENTALLY AND PATCH-WORKED OVER THE YEARS, BUT THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST HOLISTIC LOOK THAT WE'RE TAKING AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
JUST DIVING INTO SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND JUST THE PHOTOS UP ON THE SCREEN, THERE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF.
OUR HOME OF MY OWN PROGRAM RECEIVED THE RURAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE YEAR AWARD OVER THE SUMMER, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR MARK IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
WE ALSO ARE PROUD OF OUR BUILDING SAFETY TEAM TOO.
FOUR OF OUR PLANS EXAMINERS AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WON AWARDS LAST YEAR THROUGH THE ARIZONA BUILDING OFFICIALS ASSOCIATION.
JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE PERSONALLY PROUD OF.
IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THIS IS OUR MISSION STATEMENT AND REALLY OUR PHILOSOPHY IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, JUST LOOKING FOR THE WAYS TO SAY, YES, LOOKING FOR THOSE SOLUTIONS, RATHER THAN LOOKING FOR THE WAYS TO PUT UP OBSTACLES.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE FOCUSED ON IN THE LAST FEW YEARS IS HOW WE CAN STREAMLINE OUR PROCESSES, HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND REALLY BE A DEPARTMENT THAT'S OUT THERE TO FIND THOSE SOLUTIONS FOR PEOPLE.
ALONG WITH THAT OUR VISION STATEMENT AS WELL.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW HERE OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE HANDLE ALL OF THE ADDRESSING FOR THE COUNTY, OUR LAND USE DIVISION, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, CUSTOMER SERVICE AND PERMITTING.
OUR BUILDING SAFETY IS OUR PLAN REVIEWERS AND OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
OUR PLANNING DIVISION, WHICH YOU SEE HERE IN THE AUDITORIUM TODAY, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL UNIT THAT HANDLES ALL THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS, WASTEWATER SYSTEMS, WHICH IS DELEGATED THROUGH THE STATE, AND THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE ADMINISTRATION.
WE HAVE 72 FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBERS IN TWO OFFICES.
WE HAVE OUR MAIN OFFICE IN PRESCOTT UP BY THE AIRPORT, AND WE HAVE OUR OFFICE HERE IN COTTONWOOD IN THE COTTONWOOD ANNEX HERE.
WE HAVE ABOUT 50 PEOPLE WORKING IN PRESCOTT.
THE OTHER 22 WORK HERE OUT OF THE COTTONWOOD OFFICE.
THAT REALLY ALLOWS FOR JUST EQUITABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE TO HAPPEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MOUNTAIN.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF OUR RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS HERE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
OUR HOME OF MY OWN PROGRAM, AGAIN, RECEIVED AN AWARD.
WE'VE EXPANDED THAT PROGRAM SOME.
MARK WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN SOME MORE DETAIL HERE IN A FEW MOMENTS.
ONE THING THAT WE'RE PARTICULARLY PROUD OF TOO IS WE'VE COMPLETED OUR BUILDING SAFETY ISO EVALUATION WITH A PRETTY GOOD OVERALL RATING.
THE ISO, THE INSURANCE SERVICE ORGANIZATION, IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT REVIEWS AND EVALUATES BUILDING DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
THEIR RATINGS, THEY RATE THEY RATE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS BASED ON BEST PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES, STAFF CERTIFICATIONS AND TRAINING LEVELS, CODE ADOPTIONS, THOSE TYPES OF CRITERIA.
THEY RATE FROM A SCALE OF 1-6, ONE BEING THE BEST AND SIX BEING THE WORST.
WE CAME OUT AS AN OVERALL THREE, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, BUT ACTUALLY, WHEN IN COMPARISON WITH BUILDING DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT ARIZONA, THAT PUTS US IN A PRETTY HIGH PERCENTILE.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE EFFORTS TO CONTINUE IMPROVING THAT AS WELL.
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WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE RATING THAT WE RECEIVED.THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE ISO EVALUATIONS IS THAT THAT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS, PROPERTY INSURANCE RATINGS, AND PROPERTY INSURANCE PREMIUMS. THE BETTER THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE BETTER THE CODES THAT ARE ADOPTED, THEN THE LOWER PROPERTY INSURANCE THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS TOO THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, OUR AVERAGE PERMIT REVIEW AND TURNAROUND TIMES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A KEY PERFORMANCE METRIC FOR US FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
AT ONE TIME, OUR PERMIT REVIEW TIMES WERE IN THE EIGHT OR NINE WEEKS.
WE'VE GOT THEM DOWN TO THREE WEEKS FOR ALL OF OUR PERMIT TYPES.
ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING THERE TOO IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SEPTIC SYSTEM PERMIT REVIEW TIMES AT ONE TIME, WHERE ACTUALLY WE WERE BACKLOGGED BY ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
AS YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THERE, SIX MONTHS.
THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.
WE'VE GOT THAT DOWN TO, ACTUALLY, THEY ARE AVERAGING ABOUT ONE WEEK RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF JUST STREAMLINING OUR PROCESSES, REALLY RE-EVALUATING WHAT PROCESSES WERE TAKING PLACE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL UNIT.
WE ALSO HAVE NEW MANAGEMENT IN THERE TOO THAT HAS REALLY TURNED THINGS AROUND.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, OBVIOUSLY, IS A BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS IN YAVAPAI COUNTY.
ALSO, WE'VE CONTINUED TO IMPROVE AND RE-INITIATED OUR LUNCH AND LEARNS, OUR MEET US AT THE LIBRARY PROGRAMS. THOSE TYPES OF OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC, TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, TALK ABOUT CARE AND KEEPING OF YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM, HOW TO GET A PERMIT, WHAT TYPES OF THINGS REQUIRE A USE PERMIT.
WHAT TYPES OF CODE ENFORCEMENT DO WE DO? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF LUNCH AND LEARN, OUTREACH PROGRAMS, OUTREACH TOPICS THAT WE DISCUSS WITH THESE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES.
WE'VE IMPLEMENTED OUR REMOTE VIDEO INSPECTION FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND FOR SEPTIC INSPECTIONS.
I WOULD MENTION ALSO THAT ALL OF OUR INSPECTIONS ARE NEXT DAY.
THEY CAN BE SAME DAY OR NEXT DAY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THERE'S SEPTIC INSPECTIONS OR SITE INVESTIGATIONS WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE APPLICANT HAS TO DIG A HOLE.
WE DON'T LET THAT HOLE REMAIN OPEN.
THE SITE INVESTIGATIONS, THOSE INSPECTIONS HAPPEN THE SAME DAY OR NEXT DAY.
AS MOST OF YOU RECALL, WE ADOPTED THE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS A MONUMENTAL TASK THAT MATT AND HIS TEAM PUT TOGETHER, REALLY, FROM SCRATCH.
WE'VE BEEN BUILDING IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN THE LAST YEAR.
JUST SOME THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON FOR THE FUTURE HERE TOO.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO ROLL OUT HERE AN INSTANT PERMIT PROGRAM THROUGH OUR ONLINE PORTAL.
FOR SOME OF THE LESS COMPLEX PERMITS THAT DON'T REALLY REQUIRE BUILDING REVIEW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE MAYBE A GAS LINE REPLACEMENT OR WATER LINE REPLACEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE MUCH OF A REVIEW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN APPLY FOR THROUGH THE PORTAL AND HAVE THAT PERMIT GENERATED INSTANTLY.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TOO IS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO REALLY IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES TO MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
OUR ENTIRE PLANNING AND ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE.
REALLY, THIS IS AN EXCITING THING.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN SOME DETAIL TODAY, BUT FOR ME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY LOOKED FORWARD TO.
FOR ALL OF US HERE TODAY, THIS IS REALLY SETTING THE TONE, REALLY BLAZING THE TRAIL FOR THE FUTURE OF YAVAPAI COUNTY FOR THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS.
I'M SURE I SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENT WITH YOU, BUT I'M VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS FURTHER.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT LATER ON HERE.
COMPLETING OUR PERMIT FEES AND ANALYSIS.
WE SPENT LAST YEAR EVALUATING OUR PERMIT FEES.
SOME OF OUR FEES HAD NOT BEEN ADJUSTED SINCE THE 1990S, AND SO WE'VE COMPLETED THAT ANALYSIS.
WE'RE BRINGING TO THE BOARD NEXT WEEK, NEXT WEDNESDAY OUR FINAL COMPONENT OF THAT, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL FEES.
WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT THE 2024 BUILDING CODES.
THAT GOES BACK TO OUR ISO RATING.
HAVING ADOPTED CURRENT BUILDING CODES REALLY PLAYS INTO THAT ISO RATING AS WELL.
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THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR THE RESIDENTS.WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
MATT AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING ON BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY READY TO GO FORWARD AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH IN SPITE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE AS WELL.
WE ALSO HAVE JUST SOME OTHER PRIORITIZED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER A SHORT LIST OF THINGS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FIRST AS WE GO THROUGH THIS ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN SOME DETAIL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AS WELL.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP RECENTLY THAT WE REALLY WANT TO PRIORITIZE WOULD BE THINGS LIKE ADJACENT FIRE DEPARTMENT REVIEWS OF SUBDIVISION PLATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
HOW DO WE ADDRESS FIRE PROTECTION IN RURAL AREAS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS WELL, BUT THOSE ARE THE SHORTLIST OF THOSE PRIORITIZED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH, REALLY, FIRST IN THIS ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE.
>> JUST LOOKING AT OUR PERMITTING ACTIVITY FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE'VE BEEN BUSY AND YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE, TOO.
WE REALLY REACHED A PEAK AND I'LL SHOW YOU A SLIDE HERE IN A MOMENT, BUT WE REALLY REACHED A PEAK DURING THE PANDEMIC.
AS WE'VE COME OUT OF THE PANDEMIC IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'RE STARTING TO FLATTEN BACK OUT AGAIN IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR US TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE SLOWING DOWN A WHOLE LOT, BUT WE'VE REALLY FLATTENED OUT IN TERMS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY.
ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING FOR US TO KEEP IN MIND TOO IS PERMITTING IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT METRIC THAT IS USED IN TERMS OF REVENUE MODELS, BUILDING THOSE REVENUE MODELS AND DETERMINING FUTURE SALES TAX REVENUES FOR THE COUNTY AND FUTURE PROPERTY TAX REVENUES FOR THE COUNTY.
LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, WE PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT HELPS THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT PROPERTY REVENUE ESTIMATE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
OUR PERMITTING NOW IS INDICATIVE OF JUST REINVESTMENT BACK INTO PRIMARY HOMES.
AGAIN, OUR WORK OUR WORKLOAD CONTINUES TO BE VERY BUSY, BUT AGAIN, OUR PERMIT PROCESSING TIMES HAVE COME BACK DOWN.
SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, TOO, YOU CAN REALLY SEE THESE ARE ISSUED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES BY FISCAL YEAR.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2011-12.
REALLY WHEN WE WERE COMING OUT OF THE RECESSION, YOU CAN SEE THE REAL SPIKE THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC THERE AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO COME BACK DOWN TO THOSE PRE PANDEMIC LEVELS AND REALLY LEVELING OUT.
BUT STILL JUST AS A REFERENCE POINT, WE STILL ISSUE OVER 5,000 PERMITS EVERY YEAR.
ABOUT 10% OF THOSE ARE FOR NEW HOMES.
JUST AS A VISUAL HERE, A HEAT MAP OF WHERE THAT ACTIVITY IS TAKING PLACE IN THE COUNTY THERE.
YOU CAN SEE REALLY THE HOT SPOTS IN THE CHINO VALLEY PALDEN AREA, IN THE QUAD CITY AREA DOWN THERE.
ALSO AS WE GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH ON I 17, BLACK CANYON CITY CORTEZ LAKES, AND THEN OVER ON THE VERDI SIDE THERE, WE SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY HAPPENING IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, COTTONWOOD SIDES.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT ACTIVITY IS TAKING PLACE.
THAT'S REALLY A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN THE LAST YEAR.
AND I'LL PAUSE FOR A MOMENT HERE JUST FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS?
>> I REACH OUT TO ANYONE HERE, SUPERVISORS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL?
>> I'M JUST HAPPY THAT YOU'RE PRIORITIZING NEEDS THAT WE THAT YOU SEE IMMEDIATELY THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
I KNOW I'VE WORKED WITH YOU AND STAFF ON THIS.
MANY THINGS, AND I'M JUST HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT.
THINGS WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF RIGHT AWAY THAT WE CAN'T WAIT THREE YEARS.
I APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK ON THAT AND HELP. THANK YOU.
>> I GUESS I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE OTHER THING IS THAT, LISTENING TO ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, I REALLY SEE THAT YOUR WORK IS REFLECTING THEIR INPUT.
I HEAR ALL THE TIME ABOUT DARK SKIES AND THE TIME IT TAKES TO TURN A PERMIT AROUND, AND SOLAR ORDINANCE STUFF.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE PICKED UP.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE. THANK YOU.
>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMENT YOU MADE.
A YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH GETTING ADEQUATE REVIEWS FROM SOME OF THE DISTRICTS OR FIRE DEPARTMENT? WELL, THE CONCERN HAS COME UP WITH SOME RECENT SUBDIVISION PLATS AND PADS THAT HAVE GONE FORWARD WHERE THERE
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IS THERE IS A FIRE DEPARTMENT ADJACENCY AND AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY ALSO HAS COMMENTS TO MAKE IN REFERENCE TO THAT.IF THEY'RE IN SOME A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT, THEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PLACE AT THE TABLE TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS OR COMMENTS AS WELL.
>> YOU'RE JUST HAVING TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T CONFLICT.
>> GOOD. I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING PRIORITIZING SOME OF THESE HOT BUTTON ISSUES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE LIKELY TO BE APPROVING THEM INDIVIDUALLY IN ADVANCE OF THE WHOLE OVERVIEW, THE WHOLE.
>> COMMISSIONER BUCHANAN. YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
AS THOSE INDIVIDUAL PRIORITIZED ONES ARE COMPLETED AND COME FORWARD, THEY STILL FOLLOW THAT SAME PROCESS OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO THE BOARD.
JUST ON WHEN YOU TOUCH ON FIRE, IT'S BEEN CONFUSING ON WHAT DO THEY WANT WHEN IT COMES TO ROADS.
IT'S A BIG THING WITH THE PUBLIC, THEY'RE SAYING, AND THEN IS IT 26 FEET, IS A 24 FEET, IS A 20 FEET IS A TEN FEET.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE BRING THEM INTO THE CONVERSATION MORE TO REALLY SAY, WHAT DO YOU REQUIRE? MAYBE IT DOES VARY, BUT YOU WOULD THINK A 20 FOOT ROAD, IS THAT WIDE ENOUGH TO TURN A TRUCK AROUND, AND THEY WANT THAT? THAT'S BEEN A CONFUSING THING WITH STRINGFIELD, AND EVEN WITH WHISPERING CANYON?
>> SUPERVISOR COOKE, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS, AND THOSE REALLY ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND REALLY HASH OUT AND IDENTIFY AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A PRIORITIZE AMENDMENT LIKE THAT.
THOSE WOULD BE REALLY THE POINTS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HIT AND ADDRESS.
>> I THINK AS PART OF THAT, PARTICULARLY ON THIS SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PRESCOTT, BUT ON THIS SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN, MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING MYSELF, HAVE HAD I'VE BEEN A FARMER'S CUSTOMER FOR 30 YEARS.
MY INSURANCE JUST GOT CANCELED AND THAT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.
BASICALLY, IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY ON THE FOREST SERVICE, THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANT YOU TO INSURE YOU.
THIS IS A REAL HOMEOWNER PROPERTY VALUE ABLE TO GET A MORTGAGE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE FOR THE COUNTY, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT JOINTLY ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT? HOW WE WORK WITH THE HOME INSURANCE INDUSTRY, HOW WE WORK WITH THE STATE, ALL OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE, AND IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
>> I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE ARE WORKING ON SOME THINGS DOWN THERE.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME BILLS MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE DEFINITELY KEEPING AN EYE ON IT.
I KNOW THAT IT'S A PROBLEM IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS, THE INSURANCE SITUATION.
DEFINITELY I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ON THAT PART.
THE OTHER THING THAT I FIND INTERESTING, YOU MENTIONED MR. DI ABOUT THE 90S.
THE 90S WAS A TIME, I GUESS, WHEN LOTS OF THINGS HAPPENED WAS A GAS TAX.
WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY, WE'VE NEVER DONE A ZONING MEETING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
I WILL SAY THAT AS YOU LOOK AROUND OUR COMMUNITY AND THE MUNICIPALITIES, THE COUNTY INCLUDED, IT SEEMS TO BE WE'RE AT THIS CROSSROADS TO WHERE NOW WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, OR WE HAVE TO ALSO IMPROVE THE ONES THAT WE BUILT BACK WHEN WE STARTED.
I SEE THIS AS A GENERAL CONVERSATION, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES, CHINO VALLEY, PRESCOTT VALLEY, THE COUNTY.
WE'RE ALL AT A POINT WHERE NOW IT'S LIKE WE'RE TURNING THE CORNER.
NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SEASON, YOU MIGHT SAY, OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS.
I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE SLOWED DOWN FROM THE WHOLE THING OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN COVID.
WHEN YOU MENTIONED ABOUT US BEING LIKE SIX MONTHS BEHIND ON THINGS WITH GETTING PERMITS DONE AND STUFF.
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THERE WERE SURELY A LOT OF FACTORS.THAT WEIGHED INTO THAT AND DEALING WITH THE PANDEMIC AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
WE HAD A LOT GOING ON BACK THEN.
ANYWAY, MOVING FORWARD, WE DO HAVE A LOT GOING ON NOW AND WE'LL ALWAYS, I GUESS, HAVE A LOT GOING ON, BUT I FEEL THIS IS MORE POSITIVE.
IT'S A POSITIVE MOVE, IT'S EXCITING, AND AT THE SAME TIME, IT MIGHT CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF ANXIETY.
BUT WE'RE GOOD TO GO, SO I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE BEEN DOING.
AND AS SUPERVISOR COULD BROUGHT UP ABOUT, ROADS AND THE WIDTH.
I KNOW THAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
BUT WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD.
I KNOW WE HAVE A STANDARD, BUT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO TRY TO THESE WERE ONE GROUP WAS A PRIVATE ROADS, PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK WHISPERING CANYON, IS THAT PRIVATE ROADS?
>> THE MAIN ROAD IS A COUNTY ROAD.
ALL THE ROADS COMING OFF OF THAT ARE PRIVATE.
>> AGAIN, IT'S PRIVATE BUT I STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD TOPIC FOR US TO TRY TO LOOK AT AND HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
>> MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST TO MR. PRICHARDS POINT, AS A BOARD, WE'VE REACHED OUT ON A NATIONAL FEDERAL LEVEL TO TRY AND GET HELP WITH THAT SITUATION.
LOCALLY, WE HAVE IN PRESCOTT, THEY HAVE A MAN THAT WORKS SPECIFICALLY ON THIS, AND HIS PROBLEM IS HE CANNOT GET THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO TELL HIM WHAT IS HE PUT IT PERFECTLY THE SECRET SAUCE.
LIKE, ONCE AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT FIRE-WISE MAKES ME INSURABLE? THAT THING AND WE CAN'T GET THOSE ANSWERS.
HOPEFULLY, WE'LL HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AND MR. CONGRESSMAN CRANE'S OFFICE WILL GET BACK TO US AND HELP US OUT WITH THAT.
>> THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR CRANE.
>> SHA MALLORY, I HAD A COUPLE OF RESPONSES TO A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS THAT YOU MADE AS WELL.
I DON'T WANT TO STEAL TO TOO MUCH THUNDER FROM OUR ZONING ORDINANCE DISCUSSION, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE ROAD WIDTHS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT INVOLVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY, WELL, THE ZONING ORDINANCE TOUCHES OTHER AREAS, PUBLIC WORKS, FLOOD, THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS HERE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH US REALLY TO REALLY HELP TO REALLY HELP PULL EVERYBODY IN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING THOSE INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSIONS WITH PUBLIC WORKS WITH FLOOD WITH THOSE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALSO STAKEHOLDERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THEY'RE HERE WITH US TODAY AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS THAT INVOLVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING INPUT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS AS WE TALK ABOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE, AND YOU MENTIONED AS WELL THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW THIS IS OUR ONE OPPORTUNITY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT.
IT'S EXCITING LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING, IT'S EXCITING TO ENGAGE IN THIS PROCESS, BUT IT'S ALSO THE THING THAT KEEPS ME UP AWAKE AT NIGHT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT AND GETTING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AS WELL.
GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS METHODICALLY AND WITH THAT INPUT FROM THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS, WITH THE BOARD THE BOARD'S GUIDANCE WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION GUIDANCE AND OF COURSE, INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR DYE.
>> ON YOUR HANDOUT STAFF REPORT, UPDATE DARK SKYLIGHTING ORDINANCE.
IT SAYS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLETE THE UPDATE AND PRESENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR ADOPTION.
WILL THAT BE COMING TO PLANNING AND ZONING?
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE LOOKING AT, I BELIEVE I BELIEVE MAY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE.
IT'S AN ORDINANCE UPDATE, SO IT GOES THROUGH THE MAY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN JUNE FOR THE BOARD.
>> THEN I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'LL BE DOING OUTREACH AND EDUCATION FOR ALL THE CITIZENS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL IF THAT IS A BIG DEAL.
>> MATT AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THE BIG PARK GROUP, KEESA BEAUTIFUL GROUP, AND HE'S REACHED OUT TO MEMBERS ALL OVER
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THE COUNTY TO REALLY ENGAGE WITH THEM AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK.WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU IS A PRODUCT THAT REALLY REPRESENTS THAT INPUT FROM THEM.
>> A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS ON THE HOME OF MY OWN SINCE 2021, IT SAYS THAT YOU'VE ISSUED 98 PERMITS, 23 OF WHICH HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED A CO, AND WHERE ARE THE OTHER 23% THE MISSING PERMITS THAT HAVEN'T RECEIVED A CO?
>> THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS, SO THEY'RE EITHER BEING THEY'RE EITHER GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS RIGHT NOW OR THEY'RE BEING BUILT.
>> I WOULD LOVE, IF YOU COULD PUT TOGETHER SOME REPORT INDICATING WHAT YEAR THOSE PERMITS WERE ISSUED AND WHEN THE COS WERE ISSUED, AND BRING ME UP TO CURRENT TIME WITH THAT, PLEASE.
I KNOW THAT'S EXTRA WORK, BUT JUST TAKE YOUR TIME.
>> WE STILL HAVE SOME WEEKENDS AVAILABLE.
>> COOL. THEN UNDER PERMIT REVIEW TIME, I THINK THERE'S SOME WORDS MISSING.
IT SAYS, AVERAGE PERMIT REVIEW TIMES FOUR, THEN THERE'S MISSING ARE NOW AT THREE WEEKS FOR FIRST REVIEW FOR ISSUANCE, OR FOR WHAT? THE SECOND LINE.
>> UNDER NUMBER 2 RECENT ACHIEVEMENTS.
AVERAGE PERMIT REVIEW TIMES FOUR.
>> OH, EXCUSE ME, THAT WOULD BE FOR ALL PERMIT TYPES, AS IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION, MY APOLOGIES.
I WILL BLAME THE DIRECTOR FOR THAT.
>> BUT FOR FIRST REVIEW OR FOR PERMIT ISSUE?
THEN WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE, DO YOU THINK FOR HAVING A PERMIT ISSUED? OF COURSE, THAT DEPENDS UPON THE APPLICANT AND HOW FAST THEY DO THEIR WORK AND GOT IT. THEN ONE MORE.
SORRY. ON THE INSTANT PERMITS, I THINK THAT'S EXCITING.
HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO THE INDUSTRY TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAPPEN FOR INSTANT PERMITS OR OVER THE COUNTER SAME DAY ISSUANCE?
>> WELL, I'LL DEFER THAT TO WHAT, IT'S BEEN TAKING POINT ON THAT PROJECT.
WE HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THE STAKEHOLDERS OF THE INDUSTRY YET BECAUSE WE'RE STILL REALLY FILTERING OUT SOME OF THE MINUTE DETAILS WITH CITIZENS AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO BRING PEOPLE IN TO SAY, HEY, LET'S DO THIS TYPE OF PERMITS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY AND WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY IDENTIFYING THOSE THAT ARE MINIMALLY NEEDING ANY TYPE OF POT PLAN.
NOTHING WITH ENGINEERING SO PRETTY MUCH REALLY QUA.
WHAT USED TO BE OVER THE COUNTER HAS EVOLVED INTO I KNOW, COMPLEX ONES.
NOW WE'RE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THAT AGAIN.
>> VAR TO HELP YOU, MY FRIEND. BIG JOB.
>> CHAIR MALLORY, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR MARK TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. I'M MARK LUSSON ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THE HOME OF MY OWN, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THIS MORNING IS ONE OF OUR VERY NICE PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER TO OUR COUNTY RESIDENTS.
WHAT THIS IS IS THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIVE TO THE NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WHEN THIS CONCEPT WAS CREATED BACK IN 2019, 2020, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO GET TEACHERS OVER HERE.
AS THAT CONVERSATION EVOLVED, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TOOK IT AND RAN WITH IT.
WE PAID FOR THREE ORIGINAL PLANS FOR OUR CITIZENS TO USE WITHIN THE COUNTY JURISDICTION TO BUILD THEIR HOUSE.
THEIR FREE PLAN PAY FOR ANY TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE.
YOU JUST NEED THE LAND AND THEN A FEW OTHER GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS AND A FEW OTHER ENGINEERING THINGS ON YOUR LAND ITSELF, NOT WITH THE HOUSE.
TO DATE, WE ACTUALLY EXPANDED THIS JUST LAST YEAR WITH THE BOARD'S APPROVAL OF OUR BUDGET.
WE EXPENDED THREE MORE ADDITIONAL PLANS.
NOW, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX STANDARD PLANS FOR RESIDENCY BY COUNTY TO USE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO ONE BEDROOM ONE BATH, TWO TWO BEDROOM TWO BATH, AND TWO, THREE BEDROOM TWO BATH HOMES FOR THEM TO CHOOSE FROM, AND WHAT MEETS THE SIZE THAT THEY NEED THE LAND THAT THEY HAVE.
CURRENTLY, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO MEET THE 2018 BUILDING CODES.
AS JEREMY MENTIONED, WE'RE WORKING ON ADOPTING THE 24 BUILDING CODES.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS BEFORE WE ADOPT THE 2024,
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WE'LL GIVE THESE 2018 TO OUR ENGINEER TO REVAMP THEM TO THE 24 CODE, SO THEN WE WON'T HAVE ANY LABS IN BEING ABLE TO USE BUILDINGS.AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S NO DESIGN COSTS TO THE RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE REDUCED PERMANENT FEES BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PLAN REVIEWS HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR PLANS EXAMINERS, LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF TIMES, WE DON'T HAVE AND DOUBLE CHECK ALL OF OUR WORK OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE ACTUALLY WAIVE THE COST OF THAT PLAN REVIEW FEE.
THE DESIGN WOULD BE EASY TO BUILD.
THE FOUR PLANS WERE DESIGNED TO EXPAND.
IF SOMEONE IS A SINGLE PERSON LIVING ON THEIR OWN, THEY WANT TO START WITH THE ONE BEDROOM ONE BATH, THEN THEY FIND A SPOUSE AND HAVE A CHILD.
THEY CAN ACTUALLY TAKE OUT WALLS ON THE SIDE AND EXPAND THAT OUT, AND THAT WILL BE THROUGH A DIFFERENT PERMANENT PROCESS BUT THEY ARE ABLE TO BE EXPANDED.
NOW WOULD YOU HAVE CARPORT OPTIONS AND THOSE CAN BE CONVERTED TO GARAGES IF YOU CHOOSE THE CARPORT AT FIRST, THEN WANT TO CLOSE THAT, YOU HAVE THAT OPTION, OR IF YOU WANT TO START WITH THE GARAGE, IT'S UP TO THE PERSON TO USE.
>> UNDER YOUR EXPANDABLE FLOOR PLANS, WHEN THEY COME TO YOU WITH HOME OF MY OWN AND THEY SAY, WE WANT TO PUT IT ON THIS LOT, YOU SAY THAT LOOKS GOOD, ARE WE LOOKING AT SETBACKS AND TELLING THEM, IF YOU WANT TO DO A FUTURE ADDITION, BY THE WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO COME TOO CLOSE TO YOUR LINE.
ARE WE DOING THE FOOTPRINT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR FUTURE ADDITIONS?
>> DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE HAVING THAT FORECAST OF WHAT THEY WANT TO EXPAND TO, I HAD TO TALK WITH THEM.
USUALLY, THESE WERE DESIGNED TO FIT JUST ABOUT ANY LOT IN YAVAPAI COUNTY AS WELL.
>> I'M GUESSING THAT IF THEY DON'T ACTUALLY, LET'S SAY, IT'S THE FIRST CONVERSATION, I'M GOING TO BUILD THE ONE BEDROOM HOUSE, THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT TO US AT THAT POINT.
THAT WOULD COME UP IS WHAT I'M GUESSING.
IT'S AN AFTER THOUGHT, A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
>> IT'S BEEN ON WITH THE APPLICANT, THE INITIAL DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO START WITH THIS TWO BEDROOM TWO BATH, BUT I WANT TO DO THE THREE BEDROOM TWO BATH OR MAYBE EXPAND IT TO A FIVE BEDROOM THREE BATH 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK ON THE PROPERTY WIDTH OR LOOK AT THE PLOT LAND AND SAY, WELL, YOU'RE ALREADY RIGHT AT THE EDGE FOR FOR THE SETBACK, SO MAY NOT BE THE BEST THING FOR YOU OR YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER AND THAT THAT MAYBE.
SELL THE HOUSE, AND BUY SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE APPROPRIATE.
IT'S [INAUDIBLE] CAN CHOOSE YOUR OWN PATH TO TAP.
>> MARK, PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT FOR EACH STYLE, DO YOU HAVE A GENERAL IDEA? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT $300?
>> I'M NOT ABLE TO QUOTE THOSE.
I'VE BEEN CORRECTED A FEW TIMES BY SANDY.
[LAUGHTER] WELL, [OVERLAPPING] THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
>> IF COME TO YOU AND I SAY, "I WANT HAVE A LOT, I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE," YOU CAN SHOW ME THE PLANS, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I'D ASK YOU IS GENERALLY, WHAT IS THIS HOUSE GOING TO COST ME? NOT THAT YOU'RE THE CONTRACTOR.
IN ALL HONESTY AND NOT TO BE FUNNY AS I DO ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THEM TO SANDY AND YCCA AND TO GET A CONTRACT OF IT.
>> MY ELEVATOR PITCHES, COMMISSIONER RODOCIA, IS THAT THERE IS NO SQUARE FOOT PRICE.
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN HAVE AN ACTUAL SQUARE FOOT PRICE IS WHEN THE HOUSE GOES FOR SALE.
WHAT I'M SEEING HAPPENING WITH THESE HOME OF MY OWN DEPENDS ON WHAT CONTRACTOR YOU USE, IT DEPENDS ON HIS PROFIT MARGIN.
THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES, BUT RIGHT NOW, THEY SEEM TO BE OVER $300,000.
THEY ARE NOT IN THE $200,000 RANGE, WHICH IS WHERE THEY WERE STARTING OUT IN 2021.
MATERIAL PRICES ARE JUST A BIG COMPONENT TO THE COST OF THE HOUSE.
>> THANK YOU. MARK, ON THE STATS THAT YOU GAVE US IN NUMBER 1 UNDER THE RECENT ACHIEVEMENT 98 PERMITS ISSUED,
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AND THAT LEAVES ABOUT 75 STILL IN PROCESS, NOT YET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.WHEN THE 2018 BUILDING CODES ARE UPDATED TO THE 2024 CODES, WILL THOSE PERMITS THAT ARE IN PROCESS BE SUBJECT TO ANY ADJUSTMENT OR AMENDMENT OR WILL THEY CONTINUE TO JUST RIDE ON THE 2018 CODE?
>> THEY WILL STILL BE ON THE 2018 CODE.
>> MARK AND COMMISSIONER BUCHANAN, IN MOST CASES, WHEN NEW CODES COME INTO PLAY, THERE IS A GRACE PERIOD THAT IF YOU SUBMIT YOUR PERMITS WITHIN 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS, THERE'S THAT TIME CLOCK.
THOSE PERMITS WILL STILL FALL UNDER THE 2018 CODE.
I'M SURE WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A 60 DAY PROCESS BEFORE THEY GO INTO PLACE INTO EFFECT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT JANUARY OF 2016.
MAYBE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TURN THEIR PERMITS IN UNDER THE 2018 CODE.
>> COMMISSIONER GRIFFITHS, TO YOUR POINT AS WELL, THERE'S THAT GRACE PERIOD THAT YOU TYPICALLY HAVE WHEN THERE'S A TRANSITION FROM CODE TO CODE.
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS GOING TO BE REALLY BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS COLLABORATIVELY AS AN ENTIRE COUNTY WITH ALL OF THE CITIES AND TOWNS AS PART OF THE COUNTY, WHICH IS A UNIQUE THING FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY.
WHEN WE GO THROUGH CODE UPDATES, WE INCLUDE AND COLLABORATE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS TO REALLY ALL TURN OVER TO THE NEXT CODE AT THE SAME TIME.
EVERYBODY'S PLAYING ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC AT THE SAME TIME.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GRACE PERIOD, WHATEVER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE IS GOING TO BE BASED ON INPUT FROM THE OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, THESE ARE ALREADY DESIGNED, THESE ARE ALREADY REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
REGARDLESS OF ANY CHANGE IN CODE, THEY CAN TURN OVER THE NEXT DAY, ESSENTIALLY.
>> JUST TO CLOSE ON THE HOME OF MY OWN, AND I DO KNOW OF A DISCREPANCY FROM MY POWERPOINT, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT A MISTAKE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR MOST RECENT UPDATED NUMBERS FOR THE HOME OF MY OWN.
WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS A LITTLE BIT OUTDATED.
I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THESE.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO LATE TO ADD IT. MY APOLOGY FOR THAT.
BUT TODAY, WE'VE HAD 115 APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED, 68 OF THOSE HAVE HAD ISSUED PERMITS, OF 31 NOW HAVE HAD THEIR CFOS.
>> I SAW THAT NUMBER, I PRETTY MUCH RANCHED JEREMY'S OFFICE.
[LAUGHTER] THIS ISN'T A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE WANTED TO KEEP THIS FOR THE COUNTY.
WE ACTUALLY WANT TO EXPAND IT TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL.
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE THREE APPROVED CONTRACTS TO LET PRESCOTT VALLEY, PENAL COUNTY, AND THE TOWN OF CLARKDALE TO USE THIS PROGRAM FOR THEIR OWN RESIDENTS.
I JUST HAD ANOTHER ONE WITH THE CITY OF WINSLOW COMING ACROSS MY DESK YESTERDAY.
GO FOR THE BOARD FOR POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL, ALLOW THEM AS WELL,\.
AS WELL AS THE CITY OF PRESCOTT AND THE TOWN OF CHINO VALLEY ARE ALL PENDING.
>> IS THIS SOMETHING THAT AS A BOARD, WE CAN GIVE YOU THE FREEDOM TO SHARE THIS WITHOUT COMING TO THE BOARD? BECAUSE I WOULD THINK IF IT MAKES AFFORDABLE HOUSING ANYWHERE, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY COST US ANYTHING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE SHARING WITH EVERYONE.
>> AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LOVE TO OUR LEGAL TEAM WITH [INAUDIBLE].
THESE CONTRACTS ARE VERY BASIC.
PRETTY MUCH. TOWN OF CLARKDALE, YOU GUYS USE IT AND IT'S EASIER TO USE.
YAVAPAI COUNTY, WE USE THE SAME.
THAT WAY, IT'S JUST WITHIN THEIR OWN MUNICIPALITIES THAT THEY'RE LIABLE FOR.
WE WOULDN'T WANT ANYONE TO BUILD SOMETHING IN CLARKDALE, THEN COME AND THE ACCOUNTING FOR IT, IT IS BASICALLY THAT AGREEMENT.
I'M MORE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU A COPY IF YOU WANT TO JUST TO SEE HAVE YOUR OWN CURIOSITY TO REVIEW AS YOU LOOK AT IT.
>> SURE. I THINK IF WE SAID AS LONG AS YOU USE THIS FORM AND LEGAL SAYS, AS LONG AS YOU USE THIS FORM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THAT YOU'D HAVE TO COME.
I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE BOARD, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO COME AND GET IT APPROVED BY US TO BE SHARED.
AS LONG AS WE'RE COVERED LEGALLY, WE COULD DO THAT.
>> JUST WITH ENTERING IN THOSE CONTRACTS, THAT DOES REQUIRE THAT FOR APPROVAL.
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>> I'M SORRY, MARK, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF CLARKDALE DID WANT TO DO SOME OF THESE HOUSES INSIDE THEIR MUNICIPALITY THAT IS AVAILABLE OR IT'S NOT AVAILABLE?
>> WE'VE ENTERED INTO THAT AGREEMENT AS OF LAST SUMMER AND THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO USE.
I DID CHECK WITH THE THREE MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE DO HAVE THE CONTRACTS WITH.
I WAS HOPING TO GET A FEW NUMBERS THAT THEY SAID, "WE'VE BUILT X AMOUNT." THEY'RE STILL GETTING THE WORD OUT.
THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST, BUT MAY HAVE HAD NO APPLICATIONS AS MPF.
>> THE MUNICIPALITY JUST NEEDS TO COME AND HAVE A CONTRACT WITH US, AND THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THEIR GOVERNANCE?
>> FOR OUR VIDEO INSPECTION, SO THIS KICKED OFF LIVE LAST FEBRUARY.
DID START OUT SLOW, A LITTLE BIT SLOWER THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED, BUT IT'S REALLY STARTING TO GAIN TRACTION AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY PUSHING WITH OUR CONTRACTORS, ESPECIALLY ON THE MORE OUTSKIRTS AND MORE RURAL AREAS OF YAVAPAI COUNTY.
WHAT THIS IS IS THESE ARE A FEW DOZEN TYPES OF INSPECTIONS THAT INSPECTORS ARE DRIVING OUT TO THE OUTSKIRTS OF WICKENBURG, TO CONGRESS, TO ASHPORT TO SALGAN.
IT'S A 60-MINUTE, 90-MINUTE DRIVE TIME EACH WAY.
WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR AND MILEAGE ON OUR VEHICLES.
WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY A WAY THAT WE COULD SPEED UP THAT PROCESS AND SAVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
WE COULD SAVE CUSTOMERS THEIR TIME IN WAITING FOR US, AND WE COULD ALSO CUT COSTS ON SOME THINGS.
WHAT THIS DOES, IT ALLOWS THE CUSTOMER TO SCHEDULE THIS VIRTUAL INSPECTION MEETING ON THEIR TIME.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING THESE INSPECTIONS BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 12:00 PM.
THEY CAN ACTUALLY CHOOSE IF THEY WANT 8:15, OUR INSPECTOR WILL ACTUALLY SEND THEM THAT TEXT MESSAGE AT 8:15.
THEY'LL CLICK ON THAT TEXT MESSAGE AND IT'LL ACTUALLY BE A LIGHT VIDEO FEED BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
OUR INSPECTOR WILL THEN BE ABLE TO WALK THEM THROUGH WHAT THEY NEED TO SEE, TAKE CERTAIN MEASUREMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE MEASUREMENTS ON JUST FOR VERIFICATION, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GIVE THAT APPROVAL WITHIN 10-20 MINUTES DEPENDING ON WHAT THE INSPECTION IS.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR CUSTOMERS BEING ABLE TO VARY A SEPTIC TANK, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT SECTION OF THEIR POURING OF CONCRETE, AND IT SAVES US AN HOUR TRIP AND DID AND ALL WITHIN 10 OR 15 MINUTES, THAT'S A HUGE CONVENIENCE FOR THEM AND FOR US AND ALSO COST SAVINGS.
YAVAPAI COUNTY IS RURAL, AND ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS WE ASKED IS, WHAT IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A SALE SIGNAL, THEY DON'T HAVE WIDE WHERE THEY LIVE.
THROUGH THE VUSPEX PLATFORM, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN APP THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE CUSTOMER, DOWNLOAD THE APP.
IT'LL BE OFFLINE, AND WE'LL TELL THEM BEFORE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE PICTURES OF MEASUREMENTS AND THEY NEED TO TAKE PICTURES OF.
WHAT THAT'LL DO IS AS SOON AS THEY COMPLETE THAT TASK ON THE APP, WHEN THEY GET TO A SIGNAL, IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY UPLOAD IT INTO CITIZENS STRAIGHT TO OUR DATABASE, AND WE ACTUALLY GET NOTIFIED IMMEDIATELY THAT THOSE PICTURES HAVE BEEN UPDATED, THE INSPECTOR IS ABLE TO GO RIGHT IN, LOOK AT THOSE PICTURES AND APPROVE IT.
IT STILL SAVES US THAT TIME AND MONEY AND SAVES THE CUSTOMER THAT TIME AND MONEY AS WELL.
>> MR. LUCIANI. WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND PUTTING THE TIME LIMIT ON THE VISUAL INSPECTIONS?
>> JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER FIELD INSPECTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
>> BUT THEN, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SIGNAL AND THEN IT DOWNLOADS AS SOON AS THEY REACH A SIGNAL, THAT COULD BE AFTER 12 NOON, SO NOW THEY'RE APPROVING IT.
>> BUT WE WILL STILL GO IN WHEN WE GET THAT EMAIL NOTIFICATION THAT THOSE PICTURES AND EVERYTHING WAS RECEIVED.
WE STILL GO IN THAT SAME DAY AND REVIEW THAT.
>> IF WE'RE HAVING NOT TROUBLE, BUT IF WE WANT TO EXPAND THE VISUAL INSPECTIONS, MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT EXTENDING THE TIME MAYBE BY A COUPLE OF HOURS?
>> DO YOU HAVE THE BUDGET DOLLARS? [LAUGHTER] WE'LL TAKE VOLUNTEERS, SANDY. [LAUGHTER]
>> ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE FUTURE, THAT IS SOMETHING AS IT PICKS UP MORE AND WE'RE MORE BUSY WITH THESE VIDEO INSPECTIONS.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO.
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I DID SAY IT IS PICKING UP.WHEN I WOULD SEE THEM SCHEDULED THE DAY BEFORE, I WOULD SEE ONE, MAYBE TWO EVERY OTHER WEEK OR SO.
I JUST CHECKED IT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FIVE IN THE QUEUE FOR TOMORROW.
THAT JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH IT'S PAID OUT.
>> I THINK THREE OF THOSE ARE MINE.
>> MARK, WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE FIVE IN THE QUEUE, DID THEY PUT THAT IN THIS MORNING OR WAS THAT YESTERDAY? WHAT IS THAT?
>> SOME TIME THIS WEEK, THEY PUT IN THE SCHEDULE.
>> ALL OF THIS VIDEO THAT YOU'RE TAKING ON AN INSPECTION, DOES THAT GO INTO A FILE AND BECOME PART OF THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THAT EVENTUAL OCCUPANCY?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WANT TO INCORPORATE WITH THE VIDEO INSPECTIONS INTO OUR DATABASE, CITIZEN SERVE, IS WHEN WE TAKE THOSE VIDEOS AND PICTURES, IT DOESN'T STORE ON THE PHONE AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO IN AND UPLOAD, IT ACTUALLY, THROUGH THE SOFTWARE UPLOADS IN THE CITIZEN SERVE AUTOMATICALLY.
THOSE ARE SAVED WITHIN THE DOCUMENTS, SO WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK [INAUDIBLE]
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THIS GREAT ALTERNATIVE WAY OF GETTING THINGS APPROVED, WE STILL ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
WE HAVE PERSONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE THAT STILL LIKE TO COME IN AND HAVE THAT HUMAN TOUCH, IF YOU WOULD, RIGHT?
>> JUST CHECKING IN ON THE CUSTOMER SERVICE.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, WE'VE BEEN KEEPING TRACK OF THE MILEAGE AND THE HOURS OF SAP TIME THAT WE'VE REDUCED FROM WINDSHIELD TIME.
WITH OUR LAST REPORT OF IT, WE'VE REDUCED OUR MILEAGE ON OUR TRUCKS BY 3,992 MILES.
NOW I'M A VISUAL PERSON, SO I WANT TO SEE HOW FAR IS THAT ONE WAY.
IF WE WERE TO LEAVE THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE AND DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO COLOMBIA, SOUTH AMERICA, THAT'S HOW MUCH MILEAGE WE'D SAVE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY NICE TO KNOW.
>> OR YOU COULD DRIVE TO IOWA AND DRIVE BACK.
>> I SUSPECT YOUR HOURS SAVED IS A LITTLE LOW BECAUSE THAT TURNS OUT TO BE 45 MILES AN HOUR, AND IT'S HARD TO GET ANY PLACE IN THIS COUNTY AT AVERAGE OF 45 MILES AN HOUR.
YOU PROBABLY SAVED A FEW MORE HOURS THAN THAT.
>> YOU'VE GOT IT STARTED. [LAUGHTER].
>> I'M ON [INAUDIBLE] CUSTOMER SERVICE IN EDUCATION.
WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF NEW CONTRACTORS, INDUSTRY PARTNERS GETTING THEIR LICENSES MONTHLY IN YAVAPAI COUNTY.
I THINK WE SHOULD BRAINSTORM FOR AN OUTREACH TO THESE NEWBIES TO SHARE, I.E., ESPECIALLY THIS VISUAL INSPECTION.
I'LL HELP YOU DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING TOUCHED.
IT SEEMS TO BE THE OLDIES BUT GOODIES THAT ARE DOING THIS.
LET'S WORK ON REACHING AND TOUCHING THE NEW GUYS, THE NEW MEN AND WOMEN.
>> [INAUDIBLE] HAPPY TO RE-TOUCH YOU AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
>> I WAS VOLUNTEERING EVERYWHERE.
[NOISE]. SHE'S BETTER AT SPEEDING.
>> JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE CURRENT VIDEO INSPECTIONS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, WE'RE ABLE TO EXTRAPOLATE INSTALLATIONS, WATER LINES, GAS LINES.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE IDENTIFIED AFTER WE GOT THIS SET OF 20 GOING IS, HOW CAN WE EXPAND IT? WE'VE ADDED HVAC TO IT AS WELL.
AND THEN ALSO WE'VE INCLUDED ALL OF OUR SEPTIC INSPECTIONS ON OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SITE, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY EXPANDED IT FROM JUST BUILDING SAFETY TO NOW BUILDING SAFETY AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL UNIT.
>> WELL, CHAIR MALLORY, THAT BRINGS US TO [OVERLAPPING] A BREAK.
>> GIVE US 10 MINUTES, FOLKS, AND WE WILL RETURN.
BEFORE WE GET BACK INTO THE NEXT PART OF OUR ZONING PROCESS HERE, I WAS A LITTLE REMISS ON ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM HERE,
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SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR, LYNN WHITMAN, FROM FLOOD CONTROL, AND YOU HAVE MIKE GORDON.>> HE'S ACTUALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE EXEMPTION.
HE'S REPRESENTING THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
>> ALSO HAPPENS TO BE YOUR ATTORNEY.
>> WELL, THAT'S GREAT. WELCOME. WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE.
JEREMY, YOU MENTIONED PUBLIC WORKS, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY.
>> CHAIR MALLORY, WE HAVE JOE LEVI ON THE LINE.
>> WITH THAT ONLINE, IF YOU LOOK TO THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE OUR ELECTED ASSESSOR, JUDD SIMMONS, WHO IS ALSO INTERESTED IN WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY, ALONG WITH HIS CHIEF APPRAISER, JUDY HEM.
SHE'S ALSO ONLINE. JUDD, WE WELCOME YOU SURELY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GO AHEAD.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU NEED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING AT ALL, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE.
THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE ON THE SCREEN, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL, AND THEN WE HAVE THE BOARD ROOM FROM PRESCOTT UP THERE AS WELL, IF SOMEONE WAS OVER THERE.
THANK YOU AGAIN. THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT TO TAKE A NOTE ON IS THAT IN THE BEGINNING, JEREMY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE UP.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PAPER, ITEM NUMBER 5: ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE, THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE NUMBER 6 NOW.
NUMBER 5 IS GOING TO BE THE WATER RESOURCES AND OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE.
THEY'RE JUST SWITCHED AND FLIPPED ON IT.
JUST TRYING TO BRING ALL THE UPDATES.
WELL, WE'RE ALL HERE, AND WE'RE READY.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR MALLORY, AND BOARD MEMBERS, AND COMMISSIONERS.
WE CAN DIVE INTO ITEM NUMBER 4 HERE: AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION.
THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HERE.
I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO BJ TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, CHAIRMAN.
BJ RATLIFF WITH ONE OF THE PLANNERS WITH THE COUNTY.
THERE WE GO. AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION.
IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, DOING SOME REVIEWS ON OUR AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION PROCESS, WE'VE DISCOVERED WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN GOOD ALIGNMENT WITH THE STATE.
AGRICULTURAL USE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S PROTECTED BY SEVERAL DIFFERENT STATE STATUTES.
WE WANT TO JUST BRING OUR ORDINANCE, OUR PIECE OF THIS UP INTO ALIGNMENT.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS.
TWO MAJOR ISSUES THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT ON THIS.
THE FIRST ONE IS OUR ORDINANCE SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE DOING PRIMARILY AGRICULTURE ON YOUR PROPERTY OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THIS EXEMPTION.
THAT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE STATE LAW, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT SO THAT ALSO INCIDENTAL USES WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THIS.
LIKEWISE, OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THEY GET THE ASSESSOR'S APPROVAL FOR AGRICULTURAL STATUS, WHICH IS A TAX STATUS THROUGH THEIR SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
OUR ORDINANCE CURRENTLY REQUIRES THAT THEY DO THAT FIRST BEFORE THEY CAN APPLY FOR THE EXEMPTION.
AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE OUR LANGUAGE.
WE'VE GOT ONE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW THAT'S LITERALLY GOT BOTH PROCESSES AT ONCE TO BRING IT INTO LINE WITH THE STATE LAWS, AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL WE'RE DOING, IS NOT BIG TO OUR LANGUAGE, PRETTY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.
>> WHAT IS THE INCIDENTAL AGRICULTURAL USE?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A GOOD DEFINITION TO THAT TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST.
BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THE VERY LARGE GARDENS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING.
I KNOW OF SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT AGAIN HAVE LARGE HOOP HOUSES, AND THEY'RE DOING TOMATOES AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY; THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY DOING AGRICULTURAL.
>> A PRIMARY USE, LIKE THEY LIVE THERE, AND THEY MIGHT THEN HAVE AN INCIDENTAL USE.
>> BUT THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AG.
>> NOW, THAT I WOULD HAVE TO TURN OVER TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
THERE'S THEIR TAX STATUS, WHICH WE DON'T DEAL WITH, BUT OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT TAX STATUS BEFORE WE WOULD LOOK AT AN EXEMPTION, FOR AN THE EXEMPTION IS ONLY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING ORDINANCE, THOSE THINGS.
FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY'RE PUTTING UP A BARN, IF IT'S FOR THEIR AGRICULTURAL USE AND THEY'RE RUNNING CATTLE,
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TECHNICALLY, WE CAN EXEMPT THAT FOR THE AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION.THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET BUILDING PERMITS FOR THAT BARN BECAUSE IT'S USED FOR AGRICULTURE.
>> BECAUSE I'M PUTTING IN A GARDEN IF THAT'S THE CASE. [LAUGHTER].
>> I HAVE TO TALK TO THE ACCESSOR ON THE TAX SERVICE.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
GO AHEAD, AND THEN WE WILL ASK JUDD TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INPUT.
>> JUST TO FOLLOW UP, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE I AM, WE HAVE A SMALL VINEYARD AND WE HAVE A LARGE GARDEN.
IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE AG EXEMPTION, YOU HAD TO HAVE AT LEAST SEVEN ACRES UNDER CULTIVATION.
ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S POSSIBLY SOME?
>> WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT YES, WITH THE INCIDENTAL USE, THERE MAY BE SOME USES WHERE AGAIN, WE MAY BE ABLE TO BRING THAT INTO THE EXEMPTION PROCESS.
>> NOW, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GET A GARDEN.
>> NOW, WAIT A MINUTE. I'M SORRY.
I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT MY LEGAL OVER THERE IS ASKING SOMETHING.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IN PLANNING AND ZONING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO SEPARATE EXEMPTION PROCESSES.
THE EXEMPTION THAT'S BEING REFERRED TO PRIMARILY HERE IS FROM REGULATION BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WHAT'S INDICATED IS IF YOU MEET THE STATUTORY CRITERIA TO BE EXEMPT FROM REGULATION BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THEN THEY CAN'T REGULATE THAT USE, THEY CAN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT DOES NOT ALSO EXEMPT YOU FROM PROPERTY TAXES.
THE ASSESSOR APPLIES VERY DIFFERENT CRITERIA AND MUCH MORE STRINGENT CRITERIA, WHICH ARE SPELLED OUT IN DETAIL IN STATUTE, AND IT REQUIRES, AMONGST OTHER THINGS, THAT THE PROPERTY BE USED PRIMARILY FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES.
THERE'S A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF OTHER CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER TO BE TAX-EXEMPT.
>> THANK YOU. ONE MORE SECOND.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THE ROOM AND INTRODUCE TYLER GOODWIN, WHO IS ONE OF OUR EXECUTIVE MANAGERS WITH THE TEAM, AND THEN MARTY BRENNAN, WHO IS OUR BOARD COUNSEL, BUT ALSO ONE OF OUR MANAGERS, ALONG WITH MAURY THOMPSON, WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE FOR THIS TODAY.
>> BUT IF YOU HAVE AN AG EXEMPTION, THAT ALSO EXEMPTS YOU FROM BUILDING PERMITS AND TAXES ON THE RESIDENTS, IS THAT RIGHT OR WRONG?
>> NO. MR. SIMMONS, COULD YOU HELP US?
>> YES. I JUST LOST AUDIO FOR A SECOND, BUT I'M BACK WITH YOU.
GOOD MORNING AGAIN, CHAIR MALLORY, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, JUDD SIMMONS, ASSESSOR.
COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, PLEASE?
>> WHEN WE HAVE AG EXEMPTION, DOESN'T THAT EXEMPT FROM BUILDING PERMITS THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? DO YOU GUYS KNOW?
>> DID YOU HEAR THAT, MR. SIMMONS?
>> NO, I GOT A LOW TECHNOLOGY.
>> DO YOU LOOK BETTER ON VIDEO THAN YOU DO IN PERSON?
>> [LAUGHTER] HEY, I HEARD THAT ONE.
>> I UNDERSTAND WITH AG EXEMPTIONS.
I THOUGHT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS FROM A WHILE BACK WAS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS TO BILL ON AG-EXEMPT PROPERTY, IS THAT TRUE OR NOT TRUE?
>> THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF YOU QUALIFY FOR THE AG EXEMPTION.
TO CLARIFY, THIS IS NOT EXEMPTED FROM TAXES.
I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.
WE HAVE A STATUTORY FORMULA FOR AGRICULTURAL VALUATION.
>> SUPERVISOR CHECK HAD A QUESTION.
>> WELL, I JUST WANT TO BRING UP ANOTHER INCONSISTENCY WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
VINEYARDS, ACCORDING TO THE STATE LIQUOR DEPARTMENT, IN ORDER TO GET A DOMESTIC FARM AND WINERY LICENSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE ACRES OF GRAPES UNDER CULTIVATION.
THAT'S A NUMBER THAT SHOULD BE SYNCED WITH THE NUMBER OF ACRES IN ORDER TO GET BOTH AG STATUS AND AG EXEMPTION.
BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF AN ACTIVE WINERY TAKES
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THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THE PEOPLE USUALLY GET THEIR AGRICULTURAL STATUS WITH FIVE ACRES, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ON PAPER ANYWHERE LIKE THAT.>> CHAIR, MALLORY, JUST TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS, TOO, AS MR. BRENNAN MENTIONED, THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROCESSES BETWEEN THE ASSESSOR AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THE ASSESSOR'S PROCESS ESTABLISHES THAT AG TAXATION EXEMPTION FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AS AGRICULTURAL, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, HANDLES THE PERMITTING EXEMPTION, OR THE REGULATORY EXEMPTION BASED ON THE PARTIAL USE OF THAT PROPERTY.
THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE DISPARITY COMES IN AS SUPERVISOR CHECK WAS BRINGING OUT TOO.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE SECTION, SECTION 201 AND 505, AND REALLY MAKE THAT CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND ALSO TO BRING OUR ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IN LINE WITH STATE STATUTE.
THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR BOARD'S PERMISSION TO INITIATE THIS CHANGE.
I HOPE THAT CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT.
IT LOOKS LIKE LYNN HAS HER HAND UP.
>> I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE NOT TO SAY THAT EVEN WITH AN AG EXEMPTION, IF THERE'S A FMA FLOODPLAIN, THEY USED TO NEED A PERMIT FROM FMA.
>> NEEDS TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
>> I'M AS YOU LOOK AROUND THE ROOM, AS WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS CHIME IN, IT DEFINITELY IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ALL THESE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT ON WITH ALL OF THAT AND MAKE IT MUCH EASIER FOR THE CITIZEN WHO IS TRYING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, CLEARLY WHERE WE'RE AT.
RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T FOLLOW THE STATE, BUT YOU'D LIKE TO JUST MIRROR THE STATE.
>> WE'D LIKE TO BRING OUR ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IN LINE WITH STATE STATUTE.
>> WELL, THAT WOULD PROBABLY MUCH EASIER FOR.
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.
>> WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR ASSIGNED ATTORNEY AND ALSO WITH THE BOARD'S ATTORNEY TO START PUTTING THIS LANGUAGE TOGETHER AS WELL.
>> CAN YOU ADDRESS AND MAYBE IT'S FOR MR. SIMMONS, BUT THE ISSUE OF EQUINE GRAZING, WHICH WE SEE A LOT OF IN THE VERDE VALLEY WHERE THERE'S PASTURE, RETIREMENT HORSES, THAT THING, IS DOES THE GRAZING COVER THAT EQUINE OPERATION OR IS IT SIMPLY FOR MEAT PRODUCING LIVESTOCK?
>> AGAIN, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER AN ATTORNEY QUESTION, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IT IS LIVESTOCK PRODUCING FOOD.
THEREFORE, EQUINE DOES NOT GENERALLY APPLY TO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, TOWARDS THE ASSESSOR, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE ASSESSOR CAN DEAL WITH, BUT FROM OURS, THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE WITH THE ATTORNEYS.
>> YES. EQUINE AND GRAZING ARE SEPARATE QUALIFICATIONS.
EQUINE IS BOARDING, BREEDING, AND TRAINING.
IT HAS TO BE A BUSINESS HOBBY HORSES DO NOT QUALIFY AND GRAZING HAS ITS OWN QUALIFICATION FOR CATTLE.
>> THEN ONE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO COME BACK TO.
I JUST BECAUSE A PROPERTY MAY GET AN AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING ON THE PROPERTY IS NOW EXEMPT FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.
IT'S JUST THOSE STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR AGRICULTURAL.
MAYBE THE HOME IF THEIR PRIMARY HOME AND THAT'S THEY'RE ON A RANCH, AND THAT MIGHT BE THE HOME, BUT IT'S NOT JUST EVERYTHING ON THE PROPERTY, JUST AS A BLANKET EXEMPTION. IT ALL HAS TO BE LOOKED AT.
>> CHAIR MALLORY AND BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONERS, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO INITIATE THAT AND MOVE THAT FORWARD THROUGH THE NORMAL ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS, WHICH WILL BE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEW AND THEN BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
>> I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO MR. BRENNAN.
WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE DIRECTION ON THAT TODAY OR WE'RE JUST TALKING IF THEY'RE ASKING TO MOVE ON THROUGH, I MEAN, THIS HAS OBVIOUSLY GOT A LOT MORE QUESTIONS, I THINK, AND A LOT OF AREAS THAT NEED TO BE INVOLVED.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
YES, IT'S AGENDAS FOR DISCUSSION, SO I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO GIVE DIRECTION.
CERTAINLY, NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN, THOUGH.
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AND I'LL REACH OUT TO THE BOARD.>> IT JUST HAS TO BE TIGHT, I THINK BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS, ESPECIALLY, I SEE IT AS WELL WITH THESE SECONDARY HOMES ON THE PROPERTY, THAT IT'S GOT TO GET TIGHTENED UP WHERE EVERYONE SAYS, WELL, IT'S JUST A SHED, WHERE YOU'VE TURNED IT INTO A HOUSE.
I CAN SEE WITH THE EGG, WELL, NOW THERE'S ARGUMENTS.
WELL, IT SAYS THIS, I SEE A LOT OF PROBLEMS UNLESS IT'S REALLY TIGHT ON WHAT IT IS.
>> I WOULD SAY WE'RE GOOD FOR A DIRECTION HERE.
I REALLY NEED A LOT MORE LOOKING INTO THIS HONESTLY.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THE AGRICULTURAL QUALIFICATIONS FROM THE ASSESSOR SIDE, WHICH WE'D BE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN.
BUT FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING US IN THIS DISCUSSION AND THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE SECTION 505 CHANGE.
>> WELL, I WILL TELL YOU WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE FOR SURE.
ME PERSONALLY, I THINK I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT NOW THAN I HAD BEFORE WE STARTED.
[LAUGHTER] DEFINITELY MOVE, YES.
>> I THINK I CAN CLARIFY WHAT'S BEING SAID.
I HAVE A HOUSE IN A GREENHOUSE.
THIS MEANS UNDER THIS NEW ORDINANCE, I COULD PROBABLY PUT THE GREENHOUSE UNDER AN EGG EXEMPTION, AND THEN I COULD MAKE CHANGES TO IT.
BUT IF I WANTED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO MY HOUSE OR A SOLAR OR DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS, I WOULD STILL BE IN THE STANDARD RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROCESS.
IS THIS VERY CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT I'M USING ON MY PROPERTY FOR EGG VERSUS MY PRIVATE RESIDENCE, MY OUTBUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF THE PRIVATE RESIDENCE? NOTHING THERE CHANGES.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE IS IF I WANTED TO PUT A NEW ROOF ON THE GREENHOUSE.
I WOULDN'T NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT IF I MET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE NEW ORDER.
>> IT WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. NOTHING.
>> BUT IF YOU HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND PART OF IT HAS A HOUSE, AND THEN PART OF IT HAS A GREENHOUSE OR WHATEVER, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT PART OF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY COULD BE UNDER A DIFFERENT TAXATION?
>> NO. BE UNDER DIFFERENT PERMITTING, NOT DIFFERENT TAXATION.
>> THANK YOU. I'M CONFUSED AND I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE.
[LAUGHTER] I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE. IT'S OKAY.
>> CHAIR MALLORY, IF I MAY, YES, WE WILL CONSIDER THAT ITEM INITIATED.
WHEN WE BRING THIS FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND TO THE BOARD ULTIMATELY, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION TO REALLY PAINT THAT PICTURE.
EVERYBODY IS IN FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
>> I THINK THAT SOUNDS FABULOUS.
>> JUST THE CONCERN I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE THAT A STRUCTURE THAT'S BUILT, AND I THINK ANYBODY CAN BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT.
BUT WHEN YOU GO TO SELL IT, THERE'S CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS OF BUYER THAT THIS IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND.
I KNOW OF A HOUSE IN COLORADO, THEY HAVE NOTHING WHERE YOU HAVE TO PERMIT.
THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, AND AFTER THEY FOUND OUT THERE IS NO FOUNDATION UNDER THAT HOUSE.
WOULD SOMEONE PURCHASE A BARN AND MAYBE IT JUST HAS STAKES HOLDING IT TO THE GROUND, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT A STRUCTURE IS SAFE WHEN IT'S BUILT? WE DO THAT. WE HAVE INSPECTORS.
WE HAVE STANDARDS THAT YOU CAN COME TO EXPECT.
IS YOUR GREENHOUSE SECURED TO THE GROUND?
>> NO. THAT'S WHY YOU CAN SAY THAT.
BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.
>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON A RANCH, EITHER.
IF YOU BUY A RANCH, THE BARN HAS NOT BEEN THROUGH A PERMIT PROCESS, THE OUTBUILDINGS FOR THE RANCH HAS NOT BEEN THROUGH A PERMIT PROCESS, AND THAT'S STATE LAW.
THAT'S NOT ANYTHING WE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT ACTUALLY.
>> WELL, THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION, AND I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN WHERE WE STARTED.
I'M JUST THINKING AND I KNOW PHIL WOULD LAUGH RIGHT NOW, BUT THE COUNTY DID BUY A BARN.
>> ANYWAY, I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT.
WE'LL MOVE ON AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE OF THIS FOR SURE.
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>> THANK YOU, CHAIR MALLORY. JUST MOVING ON, WE DID SWITCH ITEMS 5 AND 6.
I CAN REALLY PREFACE THE WATER RESOURCES AND OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE.
JUST AS A BRIEF DISCUSSION, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SUPERVISOR CHECK HAD ASKED TO HAVE ADDED TO OUR AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.
I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO YOU, SUPERVISOR CHECK JUST TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
>> WELL, I WANTED TO NOTIFY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT IN JANUARY WHEN WE ATTENDED THE CROWING WATER SMART CONFERENCE, ME, JEREMY, LYNN, MAURY THOMPSON, ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF THAT WAS A WORKSHOP AND ONE OF THE OUTCOMES WAS IDENTIFYING BASICALLY A GAP.
IN 2014, OUR WATER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH SOME OF YOU GUYS MIGHT REMEMBER, DISBANDED.
REGIONAL WATER ISSUES SORT CASE TO BE DISCUSSED IN A BROAD FASHION INTERGOVERNMENTALLY.
EVERYBODY LIKED THE IDEA OF BRINGING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN THE SAME FASHION.
THE IDEA WAS TO BROADEN THE VIEW THERE, TO INCLUDE OPEN SPACE, AND JUST TALK ABOUT WATER RESOURCES BROADLY IN THE HOPES THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK REGIONALLY TOGETHER AGAIN.
WE HAVE A STEADY SESSION PLANNED WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH TO CONFIRM THE BOARD'S BROAD INTEREST IN THAT AND SO WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IS REACHING OUT TO OUR MUNICIPALITIES, SEEING IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE, SEEING WHAT THEIR DESIRED OUTCOMES WOULD BE, AND BUILD THAT CONCEPT FROM THERE AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU GUYS HEARING ABOUT THAT AND NOT KNOWING THE PREMISE BEHIND IT. IT'S EXCITING.
>> NIKKI, I WAS ON THAT WATER ADVISORY BOARD FOR YEARS, AND IT WAS A VERY INEFFECTIVE BOARD.
>> YES. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S WHY THEY GOT DISBANDED.
>> WHY WILL THIS BE ANY DIFFERENT?
>> WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.
I THINK A BIG PART OF WHAT THAT COMMITTEE GOT MIRED IN, IS BECAUSE I WAS ALSO ON THAT BOARD AS MAYOR OF JEROME.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS A MODEL THAT REALLY HAD SOME FLAWS IN IT AND INSTEAD OF REALLY WORKING TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE THE MODEL BETTER, IT REALLY JUST DEGRADED INTO BASICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO.
I THINK THE CLIMATES REALLY CHANGED.
I THINK OUR COUNCILS ARE IN A MUCH MORE PROGRESSIVE PLACE.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS IN A GREAT PLACE TO REALLY MOVE PAST THOSE BARRIERS AND START TALKING AGAIN BECAUSE THE PRESSURE IS THERE.
CHRIS KUKNYO IS RUNNING OUT OF WATER MAYBE IN THE SUMMERTIME FOR PERIODS OF TIME OR NOT BEING ABLE TO FILL A CUP WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
IT'S GETTING TO A POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY STARTING TO FEEL THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM THEY WANT TO SOLVE.
I THINK OUR GOVERNORS REALLY HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN PURSUING NEW TOOLS FOR RURAL GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT.
THEY THINK THEY'VE SURVEYED ALL OF THE BASINS, WHICH HADN'T BEEN DONE FOR DECADES.
IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT.
IF WE DON'T COME BACK TO THIS TABLE, IT WILL BE OTHER PEOPLE THAT START TO MAKE POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT OUR GROUNDWATER.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BOTH UNDERSTAND OUR GROUNDWATER RESOURCES AND DEVELOP A COHESIVE VOICE AROUND IT.
MAYBE NOT CONSENSUS ON ALL THE ISSUES, BUT SOME AGREEMENT ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
I'M HEARING REALLY POSITIVE RESPONSES OF PEOPLE REALLY TRULY WANTING TO COME TO THAT TABLE.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT? WHEN I WAS ON PRESCOTT CITY COUNCIL, I EVEN FORGET WHAT GROUP DID THIS, BUT I'VE TOLD NIKKI ABOUT THIS WHERE THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE PICKED FROM EVERY MUNICIPALITY, AND I THINK THE COUNTY WAS THERE TOO.
WE MET DOWN ON THE VERDE RIVER. IT WAS THAT NIGHT.
THEY HAD A LITTLE FOOD TRUCK THING OUT THERE, AND THERE WAS A CAMPFIRE.
WE SAT AROUND AND WE TALKED ABOUT WATER AND IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST HONEST CONVERSATIONS I EVER HEARD.
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THERE WAS NO PUBLIC POSTURING, IT WAS JUST THESE PEOPLE SITTING AROUND TALKING ABOUT WATER AND THE THING THAT REALLY STRUCK ME THE MOST WAS THE MAYOR OF CLARKDALE, SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE GOT TO STOP JUST BLAMING PRESCOTT FOR THIS.THERE'S THINGS WE NEED TO DO OURSELVES.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER BEEN SAID BEFORE AND I THINK IT STARTED THERE, AND THEN IT JUST FIZZLED OUT.
I NEVER REALLY WENT ANYWHERE ELSE.
BUT I THINK IF WE GOT TO HAVE A SERIOUS CONVERSATION, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS SIDE OF THE HILL, THAT SIDE OF THE HILL.
WE'RE ALL DRINKING OUT OF THE SAME WATER FACET.
I SUPPORT WHAT SHE'S PUSHING FOR AT LEAST TO GET A CONVERSATION STARTED.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT I WAS AROUND OBVIOUSLY DURING THAT TIME.
IN PUBLIC WORKS AS WELL AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATION THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
I THINK IT WAS STARTED WITH A GOOD THOUGHT TO HAVE COORDINATION OF WATER ISSUES.
I THINK IT DIDN'T MOVE ON TO PROJECTS OR ANYTHING PAST.
STUDIES ALSO, I THINK THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME I WAS WORKING WITH THE BOARD AND THEY WERE LIKE, LOOK, IT'S SERVED ITS PURPOSE INSTEAD OF MAYBE REFINING WHAT IT WAS GOING TO DO NEXT BECAUSE IT WAS DOING SOME GOOD THINGS THAT EVENTUALLY WHEN IT DISBANDED WE ALL STILL KEPT TOGETHER AND DID I BELIEVE CARDWOOD TOOK THE LEAD AND MADE SURE SOME OF THE USGS MONITORING WAS STILL OCCURRING ON THE MIDDLE VERDE, I BELIEVE, SOME OTHER AREAS.
BUT THERE WAS THINGS THAT WE STILL GOT TOGETHER AND PUT MONEY THROUGH CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WERE BEING DONE BY THE WACK.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME FRUSTRATION AND THERE COULD HAVE BEEN SOME REFINEMENT, BUT THERE WASN'T AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THAT MAYBE MISSION WOULD BE REDEFINED.
THEN THE SECOND COMMENT I WOULD MAKE, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THE OPEN SPACE COMPONENT WITH IT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY HAS MOVED FORWARD WITH OTHER PARTNERS, MAYBE NOT HAVING OUR OWN LARGE OPEN SPACE, BUT THEY RECENTLY PARTICIPATED WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OPEN SPACE PURCHASES, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD COMBINATION.
>> WELL, JUST ONE OTHER THING IS, ONE THING I HEARD AT THE GROWING WATER SMART CONFERENCE FROM ALL OF THE DIFFERENT GROUPS IS WHAT THEY WANTED TOOLS AND HOW TO HELP EDUCATE THEIR RESIDENTS BECAUSE PEOPLE HEAR DIFFERENT WATER STORIES STREAMING OUT THERE FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND SO HAVE YAVAPAI COUNTY'S GOT A GREAT GIS DEPARTMENT, HOW CAN WE LEVERAGE THAT TO HELP MUNICIPALITIES TELL THEIR STORY HYDROLOGICALLY TO THEIR RESIDENTS AND HELP IT MAKE SENSE IN A COHESIVE FASHION.
COMING UP WITH A LIST OF THOSE DELIVERABLES AT THE ONSET, I THINK WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL IN NOT BEING INEFFECTIVE. THANK YOU.
>> IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? SHE BROUGHT UP, THOUGH MY I'M OUT OF WATER COMPANY BECAUSE, AT MY HOUSE, I DRILLED A 950-FOOT DRY HOLE.
WE HAD TO HOOK ON TO THIS WATER COMPANY.
WELL, NOW, OUR WATER COMPANY IS BEING FEATURED ON ABC NEWS BECAUSE HE'S RUNNING OUT OF WATER TOO.
UNFORTUNATELY, NO ONE IS SCREAMING ABOUT WATER BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE IT AND IT ISN'T UNTIL I ALWAYS SAY THIS.
IT'S UNTIL YOU FLUSH AND NOTHING GOES AWAY THAT IT'S A PROBLEM.
FOR 160 HOMES IN WILLIAMSON VALLEY, IT'S A PROBLEM.
WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES AND HOW WE CHANGE OUR PERCEPTION ON HOW MUCH IS STILL UNDER THE GROUND.
BECAUSE THERE'S STILL PEOPLE ARGUING THAT WE HAVE GUNS.
THERE'S STILL PEOPLE ARGUING THAT WE'RE OUT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? FOR A DAY AND A HALF THE LAST SUMMER, WE HAD NOTHING.
IT'S GOING TO COME AROUND. IT'S GOING TO REAR ITS UGLY HEAD REALLY SOON, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR DROUGHT.
>> FOR ME, I THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO DISCUSS AND LOOK AT BECAUSE MY INFORMATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE STATE IS IN CONTROL OF THE WATER.
THEY DRIVE RIGHT PAST THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THEY GO DOWN AND THEY GET THEIR PERMIT, HOWEVER, THAT IS.
IF IT'S JUST ONE HOUSE, PUTTING IN SEPTIC AND ALL, THEY JUST GO DOWN, THEY GET WHAT THEY NEED, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND THEY STOP OFF AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND THEN THEY START BUILDING THEIR HOUSES AND GOING THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT IS, DO WE HAVE A SEAT AT THAT TABLE AND WE COULD BE HEARD, AND THEN WE ALSO COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IS OUR AUTHORITY,
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IF ANY, AND WHAT DOES THE FUTURE LOOK LIKE? IF THE STATE IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT HOLDS THE KEYS TO THIS GATE, THEN WHAT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY MOVING FORWARD? WORKING WITH ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AS WE ALL ARE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING WELLS THAT DO GO DRY.IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT CAN BE HAD.
I AGREE, I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL HERE IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY, AND WE WANT TO LEARN ABOUT THE AGRICULTURAL SITUATION, WE WANT TO MAKE OUR ZONING ORDINANCES UP TO DATE AND WHICH I THINK IS FANTASTIC.
WE CAN ALWAYS LEARN AND IF WE END UP HAVING CLOSED MINDS, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A MORE OPEN MIND AND LISTEN BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WILL SAY AND WE WILL LEARN FROM IT.
I'VE LEARNED QUITE A FEW THINGS JUST FROM A FEW COMMISSIONERS IN HERE TODAY.
I THINK THIS IS GREAT, AND I DO SUPPORT THIS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
>> MADAM CHAIR. I THINK SOMETHING THAT CAME BEFORE US THAT REALLY SHOWED ONE OF THE THINGS BECAUSE THE STATE CONTROLS IT, BUT THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, AND WE HAD THE GRANITE OAKS WATER COMPANY COMING THROUGH US, I THINK IT WAS TO RE-UP THEIR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.
THEY HAD THEIR WATER REPORT IN OUR REPORT.
IN JANUARY, THEY USE JUST UNDER TWO MILLION GALLONS A MONTH.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED FOR WATER.
IN JULY, THEY USE 8.5 MILLION GALLONS A MONTH.
IT'S THE SAME STORY AT THE CITY OF PRESCOTT.
WE SEE WINTER, WINTER, WINTER, SUMMER, WINTER, WINTER, WINTER, SO WE'RE POURING IT ON THE GROUND.
ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENTS TO STRIP THE GROUND COMPLETELY OF THE NATIVE VEGETATION THAT KNOWS HOW TO LIVE ON WHAT FALLS FROM THE SKY AND THEN REPLANT WITH TREES AND VEGETATION THAT NEEDS IRRIGATION? ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH? THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO AT THE COUNTY.
THE CITY OF PRESCOTT DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB WITH THEIR CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING AT THE COUNTY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO, I HATE TO LEGISLATE, BUT WE CAN ENCOURAGE, WE CAN EDUCATE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND SAY, THIS IS THE PLANTS MAYBE YOU SHOULD USE.
YOU DON'T NEED YOUR WEEPING WILLOW TREE THAT NEEDS 300 GALLONS A DAY.
IN THIS AREA, THIS 160 HOMES, I USE 4,000 GALLONS A MONTH AND I'M HEAVY.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH RESIDENTIAL HOMES USING 40-60,000 GALLONS A MONTH, AND THEY'RE POURED ON THE TREES.
WE HAVE TO BECOME RESPONSIBLE.
WHEN IT COMES TO WATER, IT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS PERSON NEEDS TO DO THAT, THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS TO DO THAT.
WELL, WE NEED TO PUT THAT MIRROR UP AND SAY, WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP MAKE OUR WATER LAST?
>> ONE, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHY THIS IS A GOOD CONVERSATION BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT HERE TO LEVY LAWS AND RULES ON EVERYBODY'S PERSONAL LIVES IN THE SENSE OF IT, BUT WE DO HAVE OUR RESOURCES WHICH ARE VERY VITAL TO WHAT WE HAVE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE OF IT AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP IN A POSITIVE WAY AND A RESPECTFUL WAY. THANK YOU.
>> CHAIR MALLORY. APPRECIATE. THANK YOU CHECKED FOR KICKING OFF THAT CONVERSATION.
I APOLOGIZE FOR TAXING YOUR VOICE THERE THIS MORNING.
CHAIR MALLORY, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE'LL MOVE INTO WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE THE MAIN ATTRACTION HERE FOR THE DAY TO TALK ABOUT OUR ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATES, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PLANNING MANAGER, MATT BLAKE, AND I NEGLECTED TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT, MR. RES EASTMAN, BUT I'LL LET MATT MAKE THAT INTRODUCTION TO YOU AND YOU'LL BE SEEING A LOT MORE OF IT HERE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.
>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS MATT BLAKE.
I'M VERY PLEASED TO INTRODUCE ROGER EASTMAN WITH LOGAN SIMPSON.
THAT IS THE CONSULTANT FIRM THAT THROUGH A COMPETITIVE PROCESS AND THE SELECTION COMMITTEE, THEIR CONTRACT WAS AWARDED FOR A PHASE 3 YEAR PROJECT TO UPDATE THE PLANNING AND ZONING ORDINANCE, THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND THE ZONING MAP.
IT'S A VERY AMBITIOUS AND FAR REACHING PROJECT FOR A COUNTY THE SIZE OF MASSACHUSETTS.
WE FEEL LIKE WE GOT THE RIGHT GUY, AND THERE'S ALREADY A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF EXCITEMENT.
JEREMY ALREADY ALLUDED TO THAT.
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WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.WE HAD A MARATHON WHERE ROGER AND HIS TEAM CAME AND MET WITH MANY OF THE MANAGERS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THEIR KEY STAFF WHO WILL BE PROVIDING INPUT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, SO IMPORTANT IS GOING TO BE THAT WE BREAK DOWN TO SILOS AND GET PEOPLE TALKING TOGETHER.
WE BECOME MORE EFFICIENT AND WORK BETTER AS A TEAM.
WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO ROGER. IT'S HIS POWERPOINT.
I MIGHT INTERJECT WITH SOME COMMENTS, BUT REALLY, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO INTERACT WITH ROGER AND AND LOGAN SIMPSON.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF YOUR INTERACTION.
OUR ROLE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS TO GET THE VEHICLE ON THE HIGHWAY AND GET MOVING, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO DECIDE WHAT EXITS WE GET IN.
YOU'RE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT, ULTIMATELY IN THIS PROJECT, YOU'RE THE DECISION MAKERS, AND WE'RE HERE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO SUPPORT YOU IN THAT. THANK YOU. ROGER.
>> THANK YOU, MATT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
[INAUDIBLE] PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
OH, GOOD. THERE'S THE POWERPOINT.
COULD YOU PUT IT ON FULL SCREEN, BECCA?
>> THANK YOU. WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO TODAY IS TO INTRODUCE OURSELVES AS LOGAN SIMPSON.
I'M GOING TO BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WITH ALL OF YOU AND FACULTY SERVICES STAFF. THANK YOU.
TRY AND GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MY BACKGROUND, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT OBJECTIVES.
THIS CAME FROM THE RFP AND OUR NEGOTIATIONS THROUGH DISCOVERY WORK.
REALLY NEED TO GET YOUR INPUT EARLY.
ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SCHEDULE, OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY, THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.
BEFORE I READY GO INTO LOGAN SIMPSON, I'M A YAVAPAI COUNTY RESIDENT.
I MET COMMISSIONER RODOCIA WHEN I WAS ON STAFF WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA RIGHT AFTER INCORPORATION.
I WORKED WITH SEDONA FOR 15 YEARS.
THEN MOVED ON TO THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND HAD A VERY SENIOR POSITION IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIRING A CONSULTANT AND UPDATING THE ZONING CODE FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
WE BROUGHT VERY INNOVATIVE ZONING AND PLANNING TECHNIQUES INTO THE FLAGSTAFF ZONING CODE AT THAT TIME.
AFTER 25 YEARS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND SPENDING A LOT OF TIME BEHIND THE PLANNING COUNTER, SO I REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM TO INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC.
I JOINED A CONSULTING FIRM THAT WAS BASED IN CALIFORNIA.
I SPENT EIGHT YEARS WITH LISA WISE CONSULTING, WORKING IN PLANNING, MOSTLY ZONING CODE WORK ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, EVEN IN SAUDI ARABIA, WE GOT A PROJECT IN THE CITY OF RIYADH, WHICH WAS INSANE GIVEN JUST WHAT THAT COUNTRY IS ALL ABOUT, WAS FASCINATING WORK FOR US.
THEN I JOINED THIS FIRM LOGAN SIMPSON ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
I'VE BEEN WRITING AND WORKING WITH ZONING ORDINANCES FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
THOSE CODES I WORKED ON IN SUDAN WHO WAS THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS ORDINANCE, SUN CONTROL REGULATIONS AND DESIGN GUIDELINES.
IT'S JUST GROWN FROM THERE TO LANDSCAPING, FORM BASED CODES, AND EVERY ASPECT OF THE ZONING CODE MY HANDS ON.
I'M THRILLED TO BE HERE WITH THAT TEAM.
LOGAN SIMPSON HAS BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS AS ARIZONA TEMPE BASED FIRM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE WHETHER WE HAVE SOME SATELLITE OFFICES.
LOGAN SIMPSON IS NOT JUST PLANTS.
WE ARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL, CULTURAL, AND DESIGN PRACTICE FIRM BY DESIGN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE.
ONE OF THE KEY THINGS ABOUT LOGAN SIMPSON THAT I THINK SETS US APART FROM OTHER FIRMS IS THAT WE BELIEVE IN CO-CREATION.
WE CAN DO THIS PROJECT BY OURSELVES.
WE NEED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS INPUT, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS INPUT, STAFF'S INPUT, AND COUNTY RESIDENTS INPUT.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT GRAPHIC THERE, WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND WE'RE INSPIRED.
WE'RE IN THE INSPIRED PAGE NOW.
WE'RE WE MOVING ON INTO DISCOVERY.
WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS? TALKING THAT INTRODUCED EARLIER THAT WE SPENT TIME WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF A WEEK OR TWO AGO.
WE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE STAFF WHO USE THESE CODES DAY TO DAY.
FROM DISCOVERY COMES INNOVATION.
HOW DO WE TAKE WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND INNOVATE TO CREATE THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION CODES THAT YOU NEED HERE IN YAVAPAI COUNTY?
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WE'LL PRESENT THE DRAFTS THAT WILL ALL BE REVIEWED THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS.PLANNING COMMISSION OFFICE AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD AND FINAL APPROVAL.
WE'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE I HOPE OF THE VINEYARDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND THE BREWERIES ACROSS THE COUNTY AND WE'LL CELEBRATE OUR SUCCESS AND THEN IT'S ON TO STAFF TO IMPLEMENT.
LOGAN SIMPSON MOSTLY DEALS IN THE WEST.
THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK IS IN ARIZONA, UTAH, COLORADO, UP INTO WYOMING AND MONTANA, A LITTLE BIT OF WORK NOW IN IDAHO.
OUR TEAM HAS DONE, AS YOU CAN SEE, OVER 200 COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLANS, A LOT OF CHARACTER PLANS, AND WE'VE WORKED ON OVER 100 CODE PROJECTS.
THIS IS VERY FAMILIAR TERRITORY FOR US.
PERSONALLY, I WAKE UP AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT ZONING CODES.
[LAUGHTER] OVER YEARS, WE'VE WON OVER 60 PLANNING AWARDS.
WE ARE NOT DOING THIS WORK ONE.
ELLIOTT D. POLLACK AND COMPANY THAT'S RICK RICK MERRITT, WILL BE HELPING [NOISE] US WITH THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE MARKET ANALYSIS WORK.
IT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THIS WORK TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REALLY ARE THE ECONOMICS OF BY COUNTY.
HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO YOUR HOUSING NEED? WE HAD A VERY GOOD KICKOFF CORE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND THE PLANNING STAFF AND I WITH RICK, JUST FIGURING OUT THE NEXT STEPS FOR THAT VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE WORK.
ARDURRA USED TO BE SHEPHARD-WESNITZER.
THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN AROUND THE COUNTY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WILL REMEMBER THEM.
I'VE WORKED WITH [NOISE] GUILLERMO CORTES ABOUT PRETTY MUCH SINCE HE CAME RIGHT OUT OF ENGINEERING SCHOOL WHEN HE JOINED SHEPHARD-WESNITZER.
THEY'LL BE ASSISTING US WITH THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS WORK AND PROVIDING INPUT ON STORMWATER AND LID.
THEN OBVIOUSLY WORKING ON CIVIL ENGINEERING, TRAFFIC AND STORMWATER DESIGN ASPECTS AS IT RELATES TO THE SUNNY CODE.
FINALLY, WHILE I HAVE LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WITH ARIZONA LAW, I AM MODERN ATTORNEY, AND WE HAVE THE JORDAN LAW FIRM.
DOUG JORDEN HAS BEEN WORKING AS A LAND USE ATTORNEY IN THE STATE FOR OVER 45 YEARS.
I'VE KNOWN DOUG SINCE MY EARLY DAYS IN SEDONA WHEN HE HELPED COMBINE YAVAPAI COUNTY AND COCONINO COUNTY ON ORDINANCES INTO SEDONA FIRST ORDINANCE.
HE'S CURRENTLY WORKING IN PENAL COUNTY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH TITLE 11 IN THE STATE STATUTE, ARIZONA COUNTY, SO HE'LL BE OUR GO-TO LEGAL AND ASSIST CARE TEAM.
WORKING FROM THE RFP, THE SCOPE OF WORK, OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, WE SEE THESE AS THE PROJECT OBJECTIVES.
THIS IS WHERE IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT AS WE WRAP UP THIS CONVERSATION TO CONFIRM WITH YOU AS THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS A STATE OF THE ART ZONING CODE WITH AN UPDATED ZONING MAP AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT WORK.
THE KEY THING THAT WE HAVE HEARD SO CONSISTENTLY FROM STAFF IS THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO USE YOUR CURRENT CODES, SO THEY NEED TO BE USER FRIENDLY.
WE NEED A TABLE THAT'S VERY QUICK AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT USE CAN GO WITHIN WHAT ZONE AND WHETHER IT'S CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR COMMIT.
WE NEED TO BALANCE PREDICTABILITY WITH FLEXIBILITY.
AS A PROPERTY OWNER, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU CAN BUILD ON YOUR PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, AND THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO HAVE SOME SENSE OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THEM.
BUT TOO OFTEN CODES GET STUCK AND THEY JUST BECOME TOO RIGID.
THERE'S ALWAYS THAT COMMON SENSE CLAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT INTO THE CODE.
UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH AN EXPENSIVE VARIANCE PROCESS, CAN WE FIND A WAY TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY? AGAIN, THAT COMMON SENSE PROVISION.
OBVIOUSLY, THE CODE NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE FEDERAL AND ANY RECENT CASE LAW.
THE LEGISLATURE LOVES TO KEEP US BUSY BY CONSTANTLY CHANGING THE REGULATIONS.
>> YOU HAVE A NEW COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO THIS ZONING CODE NEEDS TO IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN.
AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE COUNTY STAFF NEXT TO ME HERE, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO BALANCE THIS WONDERFUL COUNTY'S NEED FOR PRESERVING ITS RURAL CHARACTER AND ITS NATURAL AESTHETIC WITH THE NEED FOR ANTICIPATED GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT,
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AND WHERE SHOULD WE BE PRESERVING CHARACTER OR WHERE SHOULD WE BE PROMOTING GROWTH.WE'RE NOT PLANNING THE COUNTY, BUT WE'RE SETTING UP THE TOOLS FOR YOU SO THAT SOMEBODY CAN THEN DO THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT IN ANTICIPATION OF GROWTH.
ENSURE A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES.
THERE'S MULTIPLE INCOME LEVELS IN THE COUNTY.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE JUST BUILDING THE SAME TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT.
WHETHER WE GO INTO THIS "MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING CONCEPT" OR JUST PROVIDE A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
IF YOU WANT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, I'VE GOT A SLIDE TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, YOU CAN DIVE INTO THAT.
THEN FINALLY, I HEARD THIS SO CLEARLY FROM A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF, YOU HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH LOT SPLITTING AND ONGOING SPLITS.
HOW CAN WE INCENTIVIZE CLUSTERING, OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION, INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT AND MIXED USE WITHIN THE COUNTY? NOT NECESSARILY ACROSS THE COUNTY.
>> I'M SORRY, SIR. WE HAVE A QUESTION.
>> I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT RANCH LAND OR NOT LOTS, BUT LARGE ACREAGE DEVELOPMENT OR UNDEVELOPMENTS.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT?
>> MADAM CHAIR. I'M NOT SURE OF YOUR FORMALITY FOR [OVERLAPPING].
>> YES. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HIT THE BASICS HERE.
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT.
I HEARD FROM THE SUPERVISOR OVER HERE OF THE WHOLE ISSUE WE NEED LANDSCAPE AND WE NEED TO PROTECT WHAT'S ON THE SOIL, WHAT'S ON THE LOT BEFORE WE DEVELOP.
ALL OF THOSE DETAILS WILL EVENTUALLY BE FLESHED OUT, BUT AS WE WERE DISCUSSING IN OUR CALL YESTERDAY.
YOU HAVE A MINIMUM TWO ACRE LOT SIZE ACROSS THE COUNTY.
WELL, MAYBE IN SOME PLACES, IT SHOULD BE A 40 ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE'LL BE GETTING TWO.
>> THEN JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THE WHOLE VINEYARD DEVELOPMENT IS I KNOW ON THIS PAGE SPRING SEDONA, IT'S GROWING.
YEAH, OF COURSE. BUT THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF THAT SOMEHOW AS OPPOSED TO HOMES.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF TRYING TO KEEP WORKING LANDS AND WORKING LANDSCAPES INTACT, AND OF COURSE, YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH REGULATION BECAUSE THE STATE HAS A LOT OF CONTROL AND AUTHORITY OVER THAT.
WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CREATIVE IN LOOKING AT OTHER TOOLS.
TRADITIONALLY, MANY TOWNS COULD DOWN ZONE, THEY COULD BUY THE LAND.
THEY COULD PUT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PROTECT RANCHING, MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY WATERSHED SIGNIFICANT LAND.
WE HEAR THESE CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND WATER.
BUT THERE'S ALSO WAYS THAT DEVELOPERS CAN BE PART OF SOLUTION TO GET TO BETTER PLANNING OUTCOMES.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG FOCUS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK ON.
WHEN DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, HOW DO WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER WITH REVISED AND NEW REGULATIONS IN PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY GETS TO WALK AWAY WITH SOMETHING.
THEIR PROJECT NEEDS TO PENCIL OUT.
THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RIGHTS, INVESTED INTEREST THROUGH THE STATE LAW THROUGH OUR ORDINANCE.
BUT WHAT ARE THE TOOLS SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET A MORE MEANINGFUL OPEN SPACE SET ASIDE? TOOLS LIKE CLUSTERING BECOME VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO BUY OUR WAY OUT OF THE WATER SHORTAGE.
DEVELOPERS NEED TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT WE PARTNER WITH BECAUSE THEY'RE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE PUZZLE.
I ALMOST WISH THAT EVERY TIME THAT WE SPEAK TO A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, WE COULD DO THIS EXERCISE, WHEREBY THE FIRST STATEMENT THAT THEY MAKE WOULD BE, I RECOGNIZED THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, THAT GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AGAIN, IT REALLY COMES TO HOW DO WE MAKE THAT GROWTH BECOME MORE LIKE PROGRESS TO GET TO A BETTER PLANNING OUTCOME, THAT'S A WIN WIN FOR THEM, FOR US, FOR PEOPLE LIVING HERE, HAVING CHILDREN, AND OUR FUTURE.
>> THANK YOU. TYING VERY CLOSELY INTO THE PROJECT OBJECTIVES OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND YOU'LL SEE MANY OF THEM MIRROR WHAT WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
FIRST OF THE USER FRIENDLY CODE.
WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE RIGHT THINGS EASY.
WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN THE COUNTY THAT YOU REALLY WANT.
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WELL, LET'S MAKE IT EASY TO GET THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT AND THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T WANT, WELL, THERE'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS FOR THAT.BALANCING PREDICTABILITY AND FLEXIBILITY AS I TALKED ABOUT.
WE'VE HEARD VERY CLEARLY AND THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RFP WAS VERY CLEAR TO US, THE PUBLIC IN THIS COUNTY AS BIG AS IT IS NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED.
BUILDING OFF THE AWARD THE COUNTY WON FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PUBLIC OUTREACH.
WE WERE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO REACH AS MANY OF THE COUNTY RESIDENTS AS WE CAN.
SIMILAR TO MAKING THE RIGHT THINGS EASY IS RIGHT SIZING THE STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT MAYBE A DIFFERENT MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THE OUTLINED MORE RURAL PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
MAKING SURE THAT YOUR PROCEDURES REALLY WORK.
ARE THEY AS SIMPLE AS THEY COULD BE, OR CAN WE FIND A WAY TO STREAMLINE THEM? PRESERVING AND ENHANCING LOCAL CHARACTER IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT HERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT BALANCING GROWTH WITH LAND PRESERVATION.
RICK'S WORK, RESPONDING TO HOUSING NEEDS AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF OUR WORK ONCE WE UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMICS AND THE HOUSING NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.
THEN ULTIMATELY, REALIZING THE BEST PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OUTCOMES OF THE COUNTY.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE MULTIPLE AUTHORS OF THE YEARS.
THIS IS YOUR EXISTING YAVAPAI COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
IN TALKING THE WEEK OR TWO AGO WITH YOUR COUNTY STAFF, THEY PRETTY MUCH SAID THIS IN THEIR OWN WORDS.
THESE ARE THE GUYS AND THE GIRLS WHO WORKING WITH IT DAILY.
AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS WORKED WITH ZONING CODES BEFORE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE WORST CODE.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN IT, AND IT'S REALLY POORLY ORGANIZED, BUT WE CAN BUILD FROM WHAT YOU HAVE AND CREATE SOMETHING BETTER THAT WE HOPE WILL ACHIEVE THESE GOALS TO BE COHERENT AND INTEGRATED, CONCISE AS POSSIBLE, CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT, CONTEMPORARY AND USER FRIENDLY, PROMOTE APPROPRIATE GROWTH WORDS NEEDED AND PROVIDE THOSE PROTECTIONS WHERE IT'S ALSO NEEDED BASED ON REAL PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE SHORTLY AND THEN OBVIOUSLY TO IMPLEMENT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
>> I THINK TO BE FAIR TO STAFF, THAT ANTIQUATED SHOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST BECAUSE IT IS OUTDATED, AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT YOU GUYS ON BOARD.
IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN TOTALLY LOOKED AT SINCE THE '60S, AND WE'VE CHANGED?
>> I THINK ANTIQUATED WOULD NEED TO BE AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK RYAN STEVENSON AND I HAVE A GENTLEMAN WHO'S WITH ME, YOUR STAFF IS RESILIENT.
THEY FOUND THE RIGHT WORK AROUNDS AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR BEST TO DO THE RIGHT THING, GIVEN THE TOOLS THAT THEY HAVE.
I THINK ONCE THEY HAVE A NEW SET OF TOOLS, SOME GREAT THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTY.
WHAT WILL INFLUENCE THIS PROJECT? YES.
>> I WILL PROBABLY ADD THE ITEM OF FLEXIBILITY TO THAT LIST FOR 484.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AS WE SEE THINGS BROUGHT BEFORE US, THAT SEEM LIKE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE DEALT WITH ADMINISTRATIVELY AND WITH SOME FLEXIBILITY AS OPPOSED TO GOING THROUGH THIS LONG AND TIME CONSUMING PROCESS IN MANY CASES.
ROGER, IF YOU MIGHT CONSIDER ADDING THAT TO AS ONE OF OUR GOALS HERE IS ADDING SOME FLEXIBILITY.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, CHERRY. I APPRECIATE IT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TOGETHER THROUGH DECEMBER 2027.
A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN THAT TIME.
I CERTAINLY SAW IT WORKING ON THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF ZONING CODE, WHICH IS A 2.5 YEAR PROJECT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBVIOUSLY GUIDES THE DIRECTION WE'LL TAKE WITH THE CODE AS WILL CHANGES IN STATE LAW, ANY NEW CASE LAW THAT HAPPENS TO COME UP.
THE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE OF YOUR STAFF AND OURSELVES WILL CERTAINLY INFLUENCE THE PROCESS AS WILL THE BUDGET AND THE TIMELINE, THEREFORE, THE SCOPE OF WORK WITHIN THAT.
THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE.
THERE'LL BE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, COMMENTS FROM STAFF, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM US.
IT'LL BE FILTERED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY IT WILL
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BE THE BOARD AS THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS WHO WILL FILTER ALL OF THAT AND MAKE A FINAL DECISION BASED ON POLICY THAT WILL GET IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE CODE.CITIZEN DESIRES AND RECOMMENDATIONS MAY FLUCTUATE THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROCESS, BUT THEY WILL ALWAYS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A MINUTE, ALL COMMENTS WILL ALWAYS BE RESPECTED AND ACKNOWLEDGED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE PROCESS AND DELIVERED TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
>> EXCUSE ME, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION.
MR. EASTMAN, IT'S BEEN BURNING AT MY HEART NOW FOR FIVE MINUTES.
[LAUGHTER] CITIZEN DESIRES AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT CITIZENS COMMENTS AND CONCERNS.
I FEEL RIGHT NOW TODAY, EVERY CITIZEN IN EVERY JURISDICTION WOULD SAY, HALT THE GROWTH, STOP THE GROWTH.
NOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE IN OTHER COMPONENTS OF THIS ZONING ORDINANCE, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD THEM MENTIONED YET.
THE DEVELOPERS AND THE BUILDERS, THEY HAVE A SENSE AND NEED TO BE BROUGHT INTO THIS.
THEY'RE NOT TO ME IN MY MIND, CITIZENS.
YES, THEY LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY HERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE GROWTH HALTERS AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE BROUGHT INTO YOUR SPHERE OF CONVERSATIONS.
I WOULD FEEL SO MUCH BETTER IF THEY EVEN HAD THEIR OWN LITTLE CALL OUT NAME VERSUS CITIZENS.
>> COMMISSIONER GRIFFITHS, IT WILL BE COMING UP SHORTLY.
>> AT THIS POINT IN THE PRESENTATION, WE ARE GENUINELY TALKING ABOUT EVERY CITIZEN RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY, DEVELOPER, HOME OWNER BUSINESS OWNER, WHATEVER; EVERYBODY WITHIN THE COUNTY.
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT, AND I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT IS SO POTENT ABOUT THIS PROCESS IS THAT IT STANDS TO MAKE OUR PROCESSES MUCH LESS INFLAMMATORY.
I THINK IF WE'RE ACTING SO COMPREHENSIVELY, THAT PEOPLE ARE PUT AT EASE, THAT THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO THEM, LIKE OPEN SPACE, ACCESS TO NATURE, VIEW SHEDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEEPLY CONSIDERED, THEN THEY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT LESS OPPOSITIONAL WHEN THESE OTHER THINGS COME INTO PLAY AS FAR AS APPROVING NEW GROWTH.
I THINK IT REALLY STANDS TO MAKE ALL OF OUR LIVES MUCH DIFFERENT IF WE DO A GOOD JOB HERE.
>> IF I MAY, ONE PART OF THE PROCESS THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, I MENTIONED THAT LOGAN SIMPSON SPENT A WHOLE DAY MEETING WITH KEY STAFF WITHIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE COUNTY.
THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF OTHER INTERVIEWS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE INTERVIEWS WITH MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND INTERVIEWS.
THOSE COULD BE SMALL GROUP MEETINGS.
THERE COULD BE ONE ON ONE INTERVIEWS.
STAFF IS ALREADY WORKING ON AN EMAIL LIST.
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT OR A NEW PROCESS, WE VET IT INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF SIT DOWNS THAT COME AND WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BALANCE THAT COMPREHENSIVELY WITH BUILDERS, WITH ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, ETC.
EVERYBODY IS HEARD AND WE GET A FULL PICTURE.
>> JUST ADDING IN WITH DEVELOPERS.
THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAD SOMEBODY COMING IN WANTING TO DO UTILITY GRADE SOLAR.
WELL, THAT'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT THE PEOPLE AT GINO SAID, WE DO NOT WANT.
THEN THERE'S BUILDERS, AND THERE ARE BUILDERS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE DOING THE ZERO SCAPE USING THE PLANTS THAT ARE IN THE GROUND.
GREAT. I THINK MORE THAN STOPPING THE GROWTH, WHICH WE KNOW WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BUT EVERYBODY WANTS THE DESIRES.
I THINK THIS PLAN WILL HELP US DIRECT THE GROWTH AND HAVE THE GROWTH WE WANT.
ONE THING THAT WE HAVE REALLY NOT MUCH CONTROL OVER, IS WE HAVE CITIES WITH VERY DIFFERENT GOALS WHEN IT COMES TO GROWTH.
WE HAVE I THINK CHINO, WHICH HAS CLEARLY SAID THEY WANT TO STAY A RURAL COMMUNITY.
THEY WANT SPACE. THEY DO NOT WANT CLUSTERING.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE PRESCOTT VALLEY, WHO HAS BEEN UNASHAMEDLY SAID, WE WANT TO BE THE BIGGEST COMMUNITY IN NORTHERN ARIZONA,
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AND THEY'RE PUSHING TOWARDS THAT GOAL AND THEY ARE CLUSTERING, THEY WANT TO DO THAT.THEN YOU HAVE PRESCOTT WHO HAS A BLEND OF BOTH, AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO BE RIGHT NOW.
THESE ARE THINGS WE REALLY DON'T CONTROL AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
WHAT DO WE WANT TO LOOK IN UNINCORPORATED YAVAPAI COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO PRESCOTT VALLEY, PRESCOTT, CHINO, WHERE WE HAVE TO INFLUENCE WHAT'S AROUND THEM.
I THINK WE PICKED THE RIGHT TEAM, AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO REALLY SET THE STAGE FOR US MOVING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT 30-50 YEARS.
MR. EASTMAN, ONE QUICK QUESTION.
I WAS DELIGHTED TO SEE AND SOMEWHAT SURPRISED WHERE YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE BRINGING IN THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT START? WOULD THAT NOT BE SOMETHING RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE TO SEE WHAT WE NEED FOR HOUSING TO WORK THE CODE AROUND THAT?
>> IT IS THE FOUNDATIONAL PART OF THE WORK.
IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES GO THROUGH OUR TASKS, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE GOT IT RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THIS.
>> I'M AHEAD OF THE SLIDES AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THE DISTINCTION, AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION ON OPEN SPACE.
THAT WHICH IS PUBLIC LAND, AND THAT WHICH IS PRIVATE LAND THAT MAY BELONG TO A FARM FAMILY OR A RANCH FAMILY, AND EVEN AS THE AREA HAS GROWN UP AROUND IT, THE NEIGHBORS MAY ALL THINK OF IT AS THEIR OPEN SPACE AND YET IT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED ALSO AS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT IT'S POSSIBLY BEEN GENERATIONALLY AND WE REALLY NEED SOME CLARITY ON THAT.
>> KEEP IN MIND THAT A BIG PART OF INFLUENCING THE PROCESS, THE HOUSING STUDY IS KEYSTONE TO THAT.
BUT ALSO A LOT OF THE MAPPING.
WE HAVE A GREAT GIS DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE RELYING HEAVILY ON WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE FILLING OUT SOME OF THE GAPS TO THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS GOING TO HELP INFORM, PUTTING GROWTH IN THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE RIGHT WAY.
BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO INFORM FUTURE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHERE PRESERVATION THROUGH ITS MANY FORMS, WHETHER IT'S AN EASEMENT ON A WORKING RANCH LAND GENERATIONAL OR FUTURE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.
IT'LL INFORM BOTH CONVERSATIONS.
>> TO YOUR POINT, I WAS JUST TALKING WITH A RANCHER YESTERDAY AND AS PEOPLE SEE THIS OPEN SPACE, AND THEY THINK IT'S THEIRS TO USE AND THE PROBLEM THEY'RE HAVING IS GATES ARE GETTING OPEN, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO CHASE THEIR COWS DOWN, SO IT'S BECOMING A CONFLICTING THING.
>> THE LAST INFLUENCE ON THE PROJECT REALLY IS THE UNKNOWNS.
YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE THOSE PICTURES FROM 2013.
HEAVEN FORBID, WE HAVE ANOTHER SEASON THIS YEAR.
I WORKED IN CALIFORNIA COMMUNITIES A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE ZONING CODE PROJECTS SHUT DOWN FOR SIX MONTHS AND FIVE SEASON TO BUILD UP.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE, AND WE JUST HAVE TO BE NIMBLE TO WORK THROUGH WHATEVER COMES UP.
SUMMARIZING THE OBJECTIVES HERE, WE'RE LOOKING TO CLARIFY, TO CALIBRATE FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY.
THERE ARE ALWAYS GREAT IDEAS ELSEWHERE, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST APPLY THEM HERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE REALLY CALIBRATED TO THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY REALLY DO MAKE SENSE.
THEN FINALLY, AS A PRINCIPLE, STREAMLINING AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
OUR COMMITMENTS ARE AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL BECAUSE ASIDE FROM A FEW OF YOU IN THIS ROOM, NOBODY KNOWS US AS LOC SIMPSON RUSS INDIVIDUALS, WE'VE GOT TO BUILD TRUST.
WE WILL BE AS OPEN AND AS TRANSPARENT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
THERE WILL BE AS MUCH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS WE CAN FIT WITHIN OUR BUDGET AND OUR SCOPE, AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE TOOLS WE WILL USE.
ONE OF THE BENEFITS, IF YOU COULD SAY THAT OF THAT WHOLE COVID EPIDEMIC, IS WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH ZONING CODE.
[LAUGHTER] WE CAN USE ONLINE MEETINGS TO REACH OUT TO DISTANT COMMUNITIES.
WE PLACE A VERY HIGH VALUE ON CITIZEN COMMENTS AND OPINIONS.
WE MAY NOT AGREE, BUT EVERYONE WILL BE HEARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IN FLAGSTAFF, IT WAS EASY THERE BECAUSE WE HAD AN NAU CAMPUS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
WE HAD INTERNS WHO TRACKED EVERY PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED.
IT WAS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, A STAKEHOLDER MEETING, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH MYSELF, WITH OTHERS, THE CITY COUNCIL, WHOMEVER.
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WE BUILT THIS HUGE SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWED WHO MADE THE COMMENT, WHAT IT WAS ABOUT, AND THEN WHAT WE DID WITH IT.BECAUSE NOT ALL COMMENTS THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE ARE RELATED TO THE ZONING CODE.
SOMEBODY WILL BRING UP A PUBLIC WORKS ISSUE OR WHO KNOWS WHAT? WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT COMMENT? WELL, IT'S FORWARDED TO PUBLIC WORKS OR WHATEVER THEY DO WITH IT.
BUT THIS TRANSPARENCY IN CITIZEN COMMENTS.
WE DID THAT BACK IN THE DAYS OF WHEN WE ONLY HAD EXCEL AS A TOOL.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOOLS AVAILABLE TO US NOW WHERE WE CAN DO IT ONLINE, AND IT'S JUST MUCH EASIER AND MORE SEES.
COMMISSIONER GRIFFITHS, HERE ARE-
WE'RE JUST BEYOND PROJECT INITIATION NOW, WORKING ON THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN PUBLIC MEETING STRATEGY.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? WE HAVEN'T GOT ALL THE ANSWERS YET, BUT WE'RE SLOWLY PULLING IT TOGETHER.
WE HAD OUR KICKOFF MEETING WITH RICK MERRITT ON A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND MARKET ANALYSIS JUST YESTERDAY.
BEAR IN MIND, THE BOARD ONLY APPROVED OUR CONTRACT LESS THAN A MONTH AGO, SO WE'RE REALLY JUMPING IN PRETTY QUICKLY INTO ALL OF THIS.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE BACKGROUND MATERIALS, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT RELATE TO THE ZONING CODE.
THEN WE HAVE SOME OF OUR STAFF ALREADY STARTING TO TEAR TEAR APART THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION REGULATION.
SO FAR, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE ZONING CODE, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
WE'RE BUILDING THESE MASSIVE EXCEL SPREADSHEETS.
WE'RE TAKING ALL YOUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND LAYING THEM OUT BY ZONE.
BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE THEM NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND START TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THE STANDARD IS, WHERE IT IS.
THESE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AS WE DRAFT IN OUR PROPOSAL, WOULD COME AHEAD OF THE CODE.
THAT'S OPEN TO DEBATE WITH THESE GENTLEMEN HERE.
WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM MATT THAT THERE ARE SOME PRIORITY ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS YOU'D LIKE US TO START GETTING ENGAGED WITH.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL OF THEM ARE YET, BUT MATT'S WORKING ON THAT LIST WILL BE GETTING INTO THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK.
SOME OF THIS MIGHT SHIFT A LITTLE BIT.
SOME OF MY EFFORT MIGHT HELP IN TRYING TO GET SOME SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND ZONING CODE PRIORITIES DONE BEFORE WE GO INTO THE MAIN DOCUMENT.
ON THAT POINT, WE'RE THINKING ALREADY ABOUT ESTABLISHING A NEW TABLE OF CONTENTS SO THAT ANY AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING NOW CAN BE FORMATTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY FIT INTO THE RIGHT PLACES IN THE ZONING CODE.
LIKEWISE, A STYLE GUIDE TO ENSURE THERE'S CONSISTENCY IN TERMINOLOGY.
WE'VE GOT THAT ALMOST 90% COMPLETE AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S ALL HELPING US GET TO THE FINAL GOAL.
WE'LL DO THE SUB-REGS, FOLLOWING THE ZONING CODE, THE ZONING MAP, AND THEN FINAL ADOPTION THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS IS SUMMARIZED HERE.
WITH ONGOING PUBLIC OUTREACH AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE 2.5, ALMOST THREE YEARS, WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING HERE IN APRIL OF 2025, WITH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH STRATEGY.
RICK IS WORKING ON THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
HE WILL BE PRESENTING IT TO THE BOARD TOWARDS THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
WE'RE WORKING ON THE CODE ASSESSMENT REPORT, WHICH WILL ALSO WRAP UP ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A BIG INFORMER OF THE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AUDIT REPORT IF YOU LIKE.
THEN BASED ON THIS SCHEDULE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, ZONING CODE, ZONING MAP, AND FINALLY THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ADOPTION.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY CRITICAL PIECE OF OUR WORK, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE APPROACH TO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
MANY OF US IN THE FIRM ARE TRAINED IN THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TECHNIQUES IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
THIS WAS A GROUP STARTED ACTION IN THE UNITED STATES A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
I DID MY TRAINING BACK IN 2006.
THE IDEA BEHIND THE IAP2 APPROACH IS YOU DON'T JUST LAUNCH INTO A BUNCH OF MEETINGS. YOU PLAN THEM.
WHY ARE WE MEETING WITH THIS PARTICULAR GROUP AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACHIEVE FROM THAT INTERACTION WITH THAT GROUP? ARE WE SEEKING TO JUST INFORM THEM? HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, PERIOD.
OR WE CONSULTING WITH THEM AND WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK.
OR WE'RE REALLY INVOLVING THEM IN THE DISCUSSIONS OF WORK SESSION, FOR EXAMPLE,
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OR A WORKSHOP, REALLY GETTING HANDS-ON AND PEOPLE ENGAGED AND REALLY INVOLVED IN MAKING A DECISION.COLLABORATION AND EMPOWERMENT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY AS MUCH IN THE ZONING CODE, BUT IT CERTAINLY CAN FOR THE COLLABORATION PART WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS AND GETTING THEIR IDEAS THAT WE ENGAGE WITH THEM AND COLLABORATE WITH THEM ON THE FINAL OUTCOME.
THE EMPOWERMENT PROCESS OFTEN HAPPENS AT THE CITY LEVEL WHERE A ZONING CODE MIGHT NEED TO GO TO THE VOTERS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY TO BE VOTED ON.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT PROCESS WOULD APPLY IN THE COUNTY YET, SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE WORRYING TOO MUCH ABOUT EMPOWERING AT THIS POINT.
BUT AS WE DRAFT OUR REPORT, WE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT INFORMING, CONSULTING, AND COLLABORATING, ETC, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THE PROFESSIONAL WORK GROUP IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WILL BE SETTING UP, AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE HEADS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WHO WILL BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AND THEIR DESIGNEES OR DELEGATES.
WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF AND THEN ESTABLISHING THE STAKEHOLDER, SMALL GROUP INTERVIEWS.
THIS IS WHERE COMMISSIONER GRIFFITHS, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO CONTRACTORS, CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, THE PUBLIC AGENCIES, NATIONAL FIRE, BLM, EVERY MAJOR STAKEHOLDER THAT MATT AND HIS TEAM-
>> OTHER MUNICIPALITIES' ROLE ARE A PART OF THAT, TOO.
>> ARCHITECTS. YES, THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL.
ABSOLUTELY. SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS MIGHT BE ONE-ON-ONE, SOME OF THEM WILL BE SMALL GROUP INTERVIEWS.
I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN MEET WITH EACH OF YOU AS SUPERVISORS IN YOUR DISTRICT OFFICES.
I BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY A MEETING SET UP WITH SUPERVISOR CHECK IN APRIL.
THE GOAL IS TO TRY AND GET THE SUPERVISOR AND THE TWO COMMISSIONERS IN THEIR DISTRICT IN ONE MEETING.
THAT WAY, THREE OF YOU TOGETHER WITHOUT ANY FORUM ISSUES OR VIOLATION ISSUES HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CODE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL BE DOING IS COMBINING OUR INTERVIEW QUESTIONS WITH THOSE FROM RICK MERRITT ON THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ONE MEETING AND REALLY CROSS-POLLINATE ALL THE QUESTIONS IN ONE MEETING AND THEN FILTER THEM BACK OUT.
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, PLANNING COMMISSION JOINT MEETINGS LIKE THIS, I THINK YOU'LL BE SEEING ME AT EVERY ONE OF THESE JOINT MEETINGS OVER THE COURSE OF THE PROJECT.
THEN MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS AND OPEN HOUSES THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
WE'LL TRY TO DO THEM HERE IN THE VERDI VALLEY ACROSS IN PRESCOTT, AND IN OUTLYING AREAS, PROVIDED LOGISTICALLY, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS.
BUT THIS IS WHERE WE START TO GET DOWN INTO, WELL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? WE'VE ALREADY INITIATED DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF ON CREATING A WEB PAGE WITHIN THE COUNTY WEBSITE THAT'S DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT.
WE CAN WRITE CONTENT AND THAT CAN BE POSTED ON TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE TO GET PEOPLE ENGAGED AND EXCITED IN THIS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF ONLINE TOOLS FOR DOING POLLS EITHER IN A MEETING OR IN ADVANCE OF A MEETING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POP-UP EVENTS, MAYBE SHOWING UP AT THE COUNTY RODEO.
YOU DON'T HAVE A LITTLE BOOTH AT THE COUNTY RODEO AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE ENGAGED.
ONLINE DISCUSSIONS AND SOCIAL MEDIA, I PERSONALLY DON'T DO SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG STAFF WHO ARE REALLY INTO IT, AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TOOL FOR GETTING TO THAT YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC IN THE COUNTY. MADAM CHAIR.
>> YES, WHEN YOU MENTIONED ABOUT JUST SHOWING UP AT CERTAIN PLACES, THERE IS A REALLY GREAT EVENT THAT WILL BE COMING AROUND HERE VERY SHORTLY.
SHE'S SMILING. IT IS THE HOME AND GARDEN SHOW, AND I JUST LIKE, THINKING ABOUT THAT, I DON'T KNOW. JUST A THOUGHT.
>> WELL, SO I WANT TO MENTION, MADAM CHAIR.
I'VE BEEN SO EXCITED ABOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE. [LAUGHTER]
>> I FEEL IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO LET CITIZENS KNOW THAT IT IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.
WHEN YOU SAY THE WORDS, ZONING, ORDINANCE, UPDATES, [LAUGHTER] IT NEEDS A LITTLE CONTEXT ABOUT WHY IT'S EXCITING.
I'VE STITCHED IT INTO MY TOWN HALL THAT IS
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APRIL 16 FROM 4:00 - 6:00 P.M. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE VERDI VALLEY MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN THIS ZONING ORDINANCE AND A FEW OTHERS JUST TO REALLY WIND UP THE EXCITEMENT FOR PEOPLE, SO THEY CONTINUE TO BE ENGAGED.I THINK WHAT REALLY SHOCKS PEOPLE IS WHEN I SAY, NO, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERY DAY.
THE LAST TIME WE REALLY REVISITED IT WAS IN 1968.
THAT IS JUST A GREAT EYE-OPENER FOR PEOPLE THAT THEY REALLY HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN SOMETHING IN THEIR LIFETIME THAT NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GET TO.
>> THERE YOU GO. I JUST HOPE THAT AS SUPERVISORS AND COMMISSIONERS, WE TAKE THAT UPON OURSELVES TO JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW EXCITING THIS IS.
>> I NEED TO GET YOU SOME PUMPUMPS, I THINK.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I KNOW ABOUT EVENTS, SORRY TO INTERJECT, BUT I AM STILL RELATIVELY NEW TO THE COUNTY AND I DON'T KNOW THE UNIVERSE OF EVERYTHING, BUT I'M THE CONTACT PERSON FOR ROGER SO I CAN DISTILL IT INTO A ONE-PAGER AND GET IT TO THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MISS YOUR EVENTS, AND WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW ABOUT THEM IN SOME OF THE FURTHER FLUNG COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALSO IMPORTANT.
>> DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DOES HAVE A BOOTH AT THE HOME SHOW, SO I SUGGEST THAT YOU FORMULATE SOME HANDOUTS TO HAVE IN THE BOOTH.
>> WHAT ARE THE DATES FOR THAT? I'M SORRY.
>> APRIL 25TH, 26TH, AND 27TH.
>> APRIL 16TH, AS YOU SEE HERE, WE HAVE FOUR SUPERVISORS, BUT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FIVE.
APRIL 16TH, WE WILL MAKE THAT CHOICE.
APRIL 16TH, ABSOLUTELY, DISTRICT 2 WILL START WORKING, AND THAT WILL BE EXCITING AS WELL BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GETTING OFF TO THE START, AND SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CATCH-UP THING, AND IT'LL BE FANTASTIC.
>> IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THE ONLY ONE WITH THE HOME SHOW FROM THE COUNTY?
>> NO. CAFMA HAS A BOOTH, CITY OF PRESCOTT HAS A BOOTH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS A BOOTH, THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE HAS A BOOTH.
>> JUST THE ASSESSOR AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FROM THE COUNTY.
>> THERE'S ANOTHER BOOTH. THERE ARE NO ELECTED OFFICIAL BOOTHS.
>> BUT WE COULD GO ON ONTO THE OTHER ONES.
>> IF I MAY INTERRUPT WITH A VERY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT.
>> LUNCH IS NOW AVAILABLE, SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE A BREAK ANY TIME YOU'RE READY TO GO.
>> WE'RE REALLY CLOSE BASED ON THE PRESENTATION.
>> WE WILL WORK THROUGH THIS, ROGER, AND WE'LL FORWARD.
>> SOME OF THE TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES WE WILL USE.
OUR FOUNDATIONAL PUBLIC OUTREACH TOOL IS SOMETHING CALLED PUBLIC INPUT.
IT'S A PLATFORM THAT ALLOWS US TO MANAGE COMMENTS, DO ONLINE POLLING, ACTUALLY LINKED TO GIS, CONNECT WITH EMAIL.
KONVEIO IS A TOOL THAT ALLOWS FOR DOCUMENT REVIEW BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
THAT WILL MOSTLY BE USED FOR INTERNAL DOCUMENT REVIEW BY COUNTY STAFF, BUT CAN BE DONE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AS WELL.
SCHEDULING MEETINGS, SIGNUPGENIUS, OR DOODLE.
ALCHEMER IS A VERY USEFUL PLATFORM FOR EXTENSIVE SURVEYS, SO WE CAN POST THE SURVEY ONLINE.
THERE'S A LINK TO ALCHEMER, PEOPLE CAN RESPOND TO IT, AND THEN THE REPORTING OUT IS ALMOST INSTANTANEOUS.
MENTI IS A TOOL WE USE FOR INTERACTIVE CALLING IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
JUST ON YOUR PHONE, ONCE YOU GET THE APP, YOU CAN JUST FILL IN YOUR QUICK RESPONSE, AND THEN IT PRODUCES AN IMAGE THAT TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE RESPONSES ARE TO A QUESTION. PRETTY COOL.
>> WE JUST DID THIS YESTERDAY, IT'S SIMPLE.
>> IT'S A VERY QUICK AND USEFUL TOOL.
MURAL IS AN ONLINE WHITEBOARD.
MANY OF THESE THINGS EVOLVED OUT OF THE WHOLE COVID YEARS.
THEN, NAPKIN.AI IS A NEW TOOL WE'VE JUST FOUND THAT HELPS WITH CREATING VERY SIMPLE GRAPHICS.
>> I AM SO BEHIND THE TIMES, I GUESS. I KNOW MERRIAM-WEBSTER.
THIS IS LIKE ROGER EASTMAN'S DICTIONARY [LAUGHTER] OF NEW WORDS AND PROCESSES.
>> I WOULD DEFER TO A YOUNG LADY ON OUR TEAM POOL,
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KELLY NEUMANN, SHE'S 22. [OVERLAPPING]>> A GEN Z, PROBABLY. YES, ABSOLUTELY.
>> THEN, TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER GRIFFITHS, SIMPLY TALKING TO PEOPLE.
THAT REALLY IS THE WAY; IF YOU CAN'T DO IT ONLINE, JUST SIMPLY TALKING TO PEOPLE IS REALLY SOMETHING.
>> BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP WITH CHATGPT [LAUGHTER] AND I LIKE IT.
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
>> AI? IS HE REAL? [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] THAT'LL BE ANOTHER STUDY SESSION I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT.
>> AS WE'RE THINKING AHEAD TO OUR IMMEDIATE NEXT STEPS, WE'RE FINALIZING THE PUBLIC OUTREACH STRATEGY NEXT MONTH, WRAPPING UP OUR INTERVIEWS HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH AS WELL.
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL SUPERVISORS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS IN TOWN HALLS OR IN THE SMALL GROUP SESSIONS.
WORKING WITH RICK TO COMPLETE THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND MARKET REPORT BY SEPTEMBER, AND THE CODE ASSESSMENT REPORT BY ABOUT SEPTEMBER AS WELL.
THEN, JUST ONGOING COORDINATION WITH COUNTY STAFF, WE'VE ALREADY GOT REGULAR MEETINGS SCHEDULED JUST TO KEEP US IN TOUCH.
THEN, AS WE GET THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH STRATEGY DEVELOPED, THEN THERE'LL BE THE ONGOING PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WORKING WITH THE WEBSITE AND SO ON.
THAT'S ALL I HAD TO PRESENT, BUT REALLY, NOW IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY EITHER NOW OR AFTER LUNCH, AS YOU WISH, MADAM CHAIR, JUST TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK, ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, OR ARE WE MISSING ANYTHING? WHAT CAN WE DO TO REALLY BUILD THE SOLID FOUNDATION TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD?
>> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY.
>> REAL QUICK QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE SLIDES WAS GOING TO DISCUSS INCLUDING THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING COMPONENT.
I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING ON THAT IN YOUR SLIDE.
>> THAT WILL COME FROM THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT ONE NOW.
>> DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT ONE?
>> THANK YOU, ROGER. [LAUGHTER]
>> LOOK BEHIND YOU. I SLIPPED A SIDE OF THE BACK OF THE PRESENTATION, COMMISSIONER.
>> I CAN ALWAYS DO THAT TO SAVE EXTRA FOR JUST IN CASE.
>> THIS IS HONESTLY A MORE URBAN CONCEPT.
IN ITS PUREST FORM, IT DOESN'T APPLY ANY OTHER WAY.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, THE CONCEPT HERE HAS APPLICATION, AND IT IS A VERY USEFUL WAY OF PROVIDING HOUSING ALTERNATIVES.
WHY IS IT CALLED MISSING MIDDLE? WELL, IN YOUR TRADITIONAL ZONING WORLD, WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AS REPRESENTED ON THE LEFT, AND THEN MULTIFAMILY, BE IT TWO, THREE, FOUR-STORY, MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
WHAT'S MISSING IS THOSE MORE HISTORICAL FORMS THAT FIT BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENT TIMES.
I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO TECHNICAL, BUT THE MISSING MIDDLE IS A HOUSE FORM WAY OF PROVIDING A HIGHER DENSITY.
YOU COULD HAVE A TRADITIONAL 1,600 SQUARE FOOT HOME, AND YOU'D LOOK AT IT AND GO, IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME; MOM, DAD, COUPLE OF KIDS.
COOL. BUT THAT 1,600 SQUARE FOOT HOME OR 1,700 SQUARE FOOT HOME COULD BE SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE BY A DUPLEX.
FROM THE STREET, YOU MIGHT SEE TWO FRONT DOORS, BUT OTHERWISE, THE SCALE OF IT IS THE SAME SIZE AS ANY OTHER SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
SCALE IT UP A LITTLE BIT, IT COULD BECOME A TRIPLEX OR EVEN A FOURPLEX IF IT'S DESIGNED CORRECTLY. THAT'S THE KEY THING.
YOU CAN'T JUST WRITE RULES FOR SAYING, YES, YOU CAN DO A FOURPLEX.
YOU NEED TO WRITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT KEEP IT TO THE SCALE, THAT HOUSE SCALE OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AROUND THEM.
A COURTYARD BUILDING MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN THE COUNTY BUT IF WE REALLY DO THINK ABOUT INTENSIFYING DEVELOPMENT AT A KEY INTERSECTION, AND YOU CREATE A CENTER WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH AND REAL DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL, INFILL, MIXED USE, MULTIPLE HOUSES ABOVE COMMERCIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, OR HOMES BEHIND, OR A SLIGHTLY HIGHER DENSITY THAN YOU MIGHT OTHERWISE SEE IN THE COUNTY, I THINK IT COULD MAKE SENSE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS IN A SMALL VILLAGE OUTSIDE SOMEWHERE IN THE MORE RURAL PART OF THE COUNTY.
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IT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN THERE. BUT OUTSIDE CHINO VALLEY OR PRESCOTT VALLEY, IT MIGHT BE A PLACE ALONG ONE OF THOSE CORRIDORS, OR ONE OF THOSE KEY INTERSECTIONS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT FORM, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.>> MIGHT COMPETE WITH LOT SPLITTING?
>> WHICH REALLY IS INEFFICIENT, AND ROGER JUST HIT IT ON THE HEAD, HE SAID COMMERCIAL.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WANT IF YOU'RE JUST LOT SPLITTING.
AT SOME POINT, THAT COMES HOME TO ROOST IN TAXPAYERS HAVING TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THAT INEFFICIENT FORMAT OF GROWTH.
BUT WHEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT GROWTH COMPACT, AND PUT IT TOGETHER, AND THEN IT'S MORE PROFITABLE, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS GOING THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION OR PAD STANDARDS, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OUT OF IT.
YOU'RE GETTING YOUR OPEN SPACE, YOUR SIDEWALKS, YOU'RE GETTING SEWER, YOU'RE GETTING WATER, BUT YOU'RE ALSO NOW AT A SCALE WHERE THE SAME POPULATION SPREAD OUT ON THE LANDSCAPE, YOU'D NEVER GET A GROCERY STORE.
BUILD THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR POCKET PARK, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORE.
MAYBE YOU'LL GET YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PUB.
>> I CAN SAY, BECAUSE I LIVE IN JEROME AND JEROME HAS SEEN THIS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, WE HAD IT HISTORICALLY.
>> THEN IT ALL WENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING AND CREATED PROBLEMS FOR SURE.
MY HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS 1,080 SQUARE FEET, USED TO BE FOUR SEPARATE APARTMENTS.
THERE WAS LITERALLY A GROCERY STORE, THREE DOORS UP THE STREET FROM ME, THAT WILL NEVER COME BACK THERE.
JEROME IS AN INTERESTING PLACE THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE.
NOW WE HAVE 450 RESIDENTS, BUT WE USED TO HAVE OVER 10,000, AND IT CAN REALLY CHANGE THE NATURE OF A PLACE.
>> WE HEAR A LOT THAT DENSITY CAN BE A DIRTY WORD, AND THAT'S WHY THE MESSAGING AND EDUCATION AS PART OF THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT THE POINT IS THAT DENSITY DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY, IN THE RIGHT PLACE, CAN BE A REALLY GOOD THING.
IT CREATES WALKABILITY, SOCIAL INTERACTION, ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE THINK ABOUT IN COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
>> I WOULD ADD ONTO THAT IF I MAY, THAT YOU'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT SCALE.
TO SUPERVISE TO CHECK'S POINT, THAT SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SHE LIVES IN NOW WAS FOUR UNITS BEFORE.
NOBODY WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE DIFFERENCE, INCLUDING CHECK.
AGAIN, NOT APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE ARE HISTORIC EXAMPLES, NOT ONLY IN JEROME, BUT I BET UP IN ASH FORK OR SELIGMAN.
YOU'LL FIND MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, WHAT'S REMNANT OF IT, IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, CHAIR.
>> YES. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
>> AT ONE POINT, YOU MENTIONED THAT IF I BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE LOTS AROUND THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE HAVE THIS RCU 2A AS A "HOLDING ZONE" THAT COULD BE ANYTHING, WHICH IS COMPLETELY CONTRARY TO THAT STATEMENT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH HERE AND FIGURE OUT BECAUSE I LIVE ON AN RCU 2A LOT.
I THOUGHT EVERYTHING AROUND ME WAS THAT SAME THING.
PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO COMMERCIAL STOCK.
I LIVE 10 MILES OUT OF TOWN FOR A REASON.
>> WE WERE TALKING JUST YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS, HOW PROBLEMATIC IT IS, AND WHY, AND THIS IS TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, RENE, THAT MAYBE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS NOT JUST TWO ACRES IN A COUNTY OF THIS SIZE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS 40 OR 50 OR 30, WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE SENSE.
IT MIGHT CHANGE FROM ONE PART OF THE COUNTY TO ANOTHER.
>> ARE WE GOING TO GET YOUR POWERPOINT?
>> I HAVE SUBMITTED IT TO MATT.
>> I CAN ABSOLUTELY MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO ALL OF YOU.
>> MATT, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS TO START IMPLEMENTING THINGS? IF WE FIGURE OUT THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THE STUDY IN A YEAR, CAN WE IMPLEMENT IT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR?
>> WE HAVE A SHORT LIST, AND A LOT OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INFLUENCED BY YOUR INPUT.
WE DIDN'T GET THE FINAL LIST TO ROGER TODAY BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE EMERGENT ISSUES.
WE MAY HAVE SOME MAJOR PROJECT THAT COMES, AND WE FIND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO CREATE THE VESSEL OR PARAMETERS FOR IT.
I THINK THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, SPORADICALLY, STAFF IS GOING TO KEEP TAKING ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THROUGH YOUR PROCESS.
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THE BENEFIT HERE IS IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT POLISH AND THAT WIDER REVIEW FROM ROGER AND HIS TEAM, AND THEN VETTED AND FILTERED THROUGH THE JORDAN LAW, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T HAD.WE HAVE GREAT COUNSEL, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHANGES THAT WE DO MAKE.
WE'VE ALREADY PUT THE DARK SKIES ORDINANCE THROUGH THE FILTER OF COUNSEL.
IT'S GONE THROUGH THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
NOW IT'S GOING TO GO OUT FOR WIDER REVIEW, AND THEN OUR PROCESS.
BUT NOW IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DOING THESE THINGS.
ULTIMATELY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FLUID AND CONNECTS WITH ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS NEW CODE THAT WE'RE BUILDING.
>> COMMISSIONER STEWART, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>> WE SEE THIS TYPE OF THOUGHT PROCESS OF GETTING A CLUSTER-TYPE GROWTH.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO CHACO CANYON, NEW MEXICO, WHERE THE NATIVE AMERICANS USE THIS ALL THE TIME.
AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED.
YOU GO TO CHICAGO, THE SEARS TOWER HAD ITS OWN ZIP CODE. IT WAS ONE CITY.
AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IT HAD ITS OWN GROCERY STORE, RESTAURANTS, EVERYTHING WAS THERE.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S GOT TO BE CALIBRATED, RIGHT? IT'S GOT TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE TOO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> PART OF THE MESSAGING THAT [OVERLAPPING] YOU COULD HELP US WITH, AND US IS ALL OF US, IS AS YOU TALK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, AND THIS CONVERSATION COMES UP THAT, OH, MY GOD, THAT'S TERRIBLE, I DON'T WANT IT.
WELL, IT MIGHT BE OKAY HERE, BUT NOT OVER THERE.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS AS WE ALL GET TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE MESSAGING.
>> WELL, WITH OUR YOUTH COMING UP, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FORCE HOME, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOME WAY TO DO THAT.
>> JUST ONE LAST COMMENT, ROGER. INFILL.
>> I KNOW IN MY PRACTICE, I TRIED TO BE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT AND TAKE CLIENTS THAT ARE WORKING TO FILL IN THE EMPTY POCKETS IN THE ALREADY DEVELOPED AREAS, AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT IN THE COUNTY.
OF COURSE, IF WE WERE IN THE CITY OR TOWN OR CITY LIMITS, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO DO, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ENOUGH ABOUT THAT THIS MORNING YET, HOW THAT CAN ENCOURAGE OPEN SPACE, PRESERVE RANCH LAND, ETC. INFILL.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, AND IT'S PART OF THE OBJECTIVES. [INAUDIBLE]
>> WE'LL GO ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL GO TO LUNCH AND WE SURELY CAN COME RIGHT BACK HERE AND WE CAN CONTINUE JUST HAVING OUR LUNCH AND HAVING A CONVERSATION. GO AHEAD, SUPERVISOR.
>> JUST IN THIS MESSAGING, I THINK WE NEED TO SAY THAT THE CITIZENS NEED TO SHOW UP TO THIS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN OTHER GENERAL PLANS WHERE IT'S LOADED WITH SPECIAL INTEREST AND THAT'S WHAT COMES OUT OF IT, BUT YOUR AVERAGE CITIZEN NEEDS TO SHOW UP AND PUT THEIR INPUT ON WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
THEN I THINK IT WILL BE MONEY WELL SPENT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND WE WILL HAVE LUNCH.
DO YOU WANT TO DIRECT US HOW [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS? [BACKGROUND] WE ARE MISSING A FEW, BUT WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
[NOISE] THANK YOU FOR THE LUNCH. IT WAS FABULOUS.
[APPLAUSE] THANK YOU FOR THE BREAKFAST BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO GOOD, TOO.
WE ARE HAPPY AND WE'RE FULL, AND I THINK AT THIS TIME, WE KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER GRIFFITHS HAD TO LEAVE, BUT THE OTHER ONES ARE HERE.
EVERYBODY HERE WILL COME ON IN.
WE'RE GOING TO GET GOING, AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER HERE TO MATT AND ROGER.
I KNOW WE WERE HAVING A GREAT DISCUSSION AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL DO THIS PICK-UP AGAIN, ROUND TABLE THING.
THEN I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT ADJOURNMENT AFTER THAT, BUT TO YOU, GENTLEMAN.
>> SOUNDS GREAT. ROGER, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY, I KNOW WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE WANTED TO DO THEN FINISH THAT CONVERSATION.
ACTUALLY, I WOULD SAY ONE POINT ON THAT IS WE OFTEN THINK ABOUT IT AS A ROOF OVER OUR HEAD, AND WITH REAL RESIDENTIAL GROWTH COMES IMPACT, BUT IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO THE ECONOMICS OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE CAN'T JUST BE BUILDING RETIREMENT HOMES AND HAVE A TOURISM.
WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE IS A DIVERSE ECONOMY.
THAT'S HOW WE MAKE OURSELVES A MORE RECESSION-PROOF AND ECONOMICALLY WHOLE.
THE MIDDLE HOUSING ISN'T JUST ABOUT FOR TEACHERS, IT'S FOR DOCTORS. IT'S FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S FOR ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT WE NEED, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF AS INFRASTRUCTURE,
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BUT FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, IT REALLY IS VITALLY IMPORTANT.IT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT AS ANY OTHER LAND USE THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN THE COUNTY.
>> THAT WAS THE POINT IF I CAN PUT YOU BACK OFF THAT RICK MERRITT WAS MAKING TO US IN THE COURT YESTERDAY, THAT THEIR FIRM STARTS THEIR HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, LOOKING AT THE ECONOMICS OF THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY'RE WORKING.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE WORKING, HOW MUCH THEY'RE BUILDING, JUST BASIC DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEN YOU CAN START FIGURING OUT THE HOUSING NEEDS ECONOMICS AND HOUSING IS SO CLOSELY RELATED.
>> WE'RE GOING TO DERIVE A RESULT FROM THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE VETTED BY YOU? IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND.
THERE'LL BE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS, HOW MANY HOUSES DO WE THINK WOULD BE A HEALTHY MIX FOR THE COUNTY IN 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS? THERE'S ALSO A POLITICAL DYNAMIC TO THAT CONVERSATION, HOW YOU WANT TO RIGHT-SIZE THE COUNTY.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE FORCED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THOSE HOUSES, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU WILL BE NOW IN A POSITION TO MAKE A REALLY GOOD INFORMED DECISION AS A GROUP OF, WHAT IS THAT RIGHT FIT FOR THE COUNTY? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO? WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE?
>> CHAIR MALLORY, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC, BUT IT RELATES TO THE BUILDING CODE UPDATE.
ONE THING THAT I'VE TALKED WITH DIRECTOR DYE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE.
I WANT TO BRING JUST TO THE ATTENTION OF THIS GROUP IS THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT THAT'S INVOLVED.
NOW, I THINK IT SAYS 2015 FOR SHRINKING AND SWELLING CLAY SOILS THAT CAN DAMAGE FOUNDATIONS.
I GUESS I WANT TO START MY STATEMENT BY SAYING, DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE FOUND BY USING THAT SYSTEM.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND OUR TEAM TO THINK ABOUT IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR RE-LOOKING AT THAT SYSTEM.
THE PROBLEM, I SEE AND THE REASON WHY I BRING IT UP IN THE DISCUSSION OF HOUSING IS BECAUSE THERE'S A REAL CRISIS WHEN IT COMES TO THE COST OF BUILDING HOMES.
EVEN THOUGH THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS ONLY A $5,000 PERMIT REPORT WITHOUT HAVING ANY SKIN IN THE GAME, OFTENTIMES THINGS GET OVER-ENGINEERED.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT THAT PROCESS TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE AS SOMETHING I'VE HEARD FROM THE REALTORS ASSOCIATION, FROM ARCHITECTS, FROM INDIVIDUAL BUILDERS JUST POSING THAT QUESTION, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN REALLY HONE IN TO SEE IF THERE ARE SHRINKING AND SWELLING CLAYS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY BEFORE SOMETHING GETS OVER-ENGINEERED.
I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT, IT'S NOT SUPER EASY.
BUT WE MADE A PRETTY BROAD STEP IN 2015 TO ADDRESS THAT AND JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY STEP BACKWARDS TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO PRE-IDENTIFY IT BEFOREHAND.
I THINK THAT COULD REALLY IMPACT THE WAY THAT AFFORDABILITY HOUSING GOES FORWARD.
>> CHAIR MALLORY, MR. KERRY HAS A QUESTION THERE.
>> I ASSUME THAT THERE'S REASONABLE DATA NOW THAT THE COUNTY HAS BASED ON WHAT REPORTS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR CERTAIN AREAS, AND PERHAPS THERE'S SOME WAYS TO DO SOME CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATIONS AS TO, WELL, THIS AREA WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OVER X AND REFILL THINGS AND SAVE THE COST ON THE REPORT, AND RATHER PUT THAT COST INTO BETTER-ENGINEERED FILL MATERIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WOULD NOT ONLY SAVE THE TIME IN REGARDS TO THE REPORT BEING DONE BUT ALSO MAYBE SAVE A LITTLE BIT IN THE PROCESS.
THAT WOULD BE IDEAL, I THINK, WE USED TO IN FLOOD WE USED TO HAVE STATE STANDARDS, WHERE SOMEONE DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HIRING AN ENGINEER.
THERE WAS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE MADE QUICKLY FROM SOME STATE STANDARDS THAT SAID WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, IT'S A BIT OVER-ENGINEERED, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WAITING FOR A PROFESSIONAL REGISTER DESIGNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA IF THERE'S A LEVEL OF COMFORT WITH IT.
>> SUPERVISOR CHECK AND COMMISSIONER CHERRY, I APPRECIATE THOSE POINTS VERY MUCH AND SUPERVISOR CHECK, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ALREADY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS PART OF OUR BUILDING CODE UPDATE, REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE
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IS A REASON TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT IN AND TO SPEAK TO YOUR POINT AS WELL, LOOKING AT THE DATA THAT WE'VE GOT TO SEE IF TO SEE WHERE THOSE AREAS REALLY ARE AT THIS POINT.ALSO, THE DATA THAT WE'VE HAD ALREADY IS, THE NUMBER OF FOUNDATION REPAIR PERMITS THAT WE WERE GETTING BEFORE VERSUS WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT TO MAKE A COMPARISON WITH CLOSELY YET.
BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
TO SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THAT TOO FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE ELSE, PREVIOUSLY BEFORE 2015, WE WERE REQUIRING JUST A GENERAL SOILS REPORT VERSUS WHAT WE REQUIRE NOW, WHICH IS A GEOTECHNICAL REPORT, WHICH IS DONE BY AN ENGINEER.
WE WERE SEEING WITH NEW HOMES BEING BUILT AS THOSE PERMITS WERE BEING ISSUED, WE WERE SEEING A LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE COMING BACK TO US FOR FOUNDATION CRACKING AND FOUNDATION [NOISE] AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAD ONE EXAMPLE I CAN POINT TO WHERE THE HOME ALMOST CRACKED IN HALF JUST BECAUSE THE SOIL SETTLED SO MUCH AND SO RAPIDLY.
THAT'S WHERE THE GEOTECHNICAL ANALYSIS, GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS STARTED TO BE REQUIRED AFTER THAT.
IN 2015, AND SO TO YOUR POINT, IT'S DEFINITELY WELL WORTH.
IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS. IT'S WELL WORTH TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT AND EVALUATING THE DATA THAT WE'VE GOT IN FRONT OF US NOW.
>> THAT ALL STARTED WITH THE LAWSUIT IN BLACK CANON CITY ON ONE HOUSE, AND THAT'S WHEN THE COUNTY STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND MAKING THOSE CHANGES.
BUT TO THE SAME TOKEN PERC TEST.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF YAVAPAI COUNTY THAT HAD ABSOLUTELY HAD A BLANKET PERC TEST NOW REQUIRING PEOPLE TO GET PERC TESTS AND ANOTHER COST.
THANKFULLY TO BE LOOKED AT, I AGREE WITH YOU.
NOT ALL PLACES ARE CLAY-BOUND.
>> WELL, I THINK WITH THAT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS?
>> I'M JUST HAPPY WITH YOUR PERFORMANCE. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> YOU WERE UNKNOWN TO ME UNTIL THIS AND IT'S CERTAINLY THOROUGH.
IT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSING A LOT OF THINGS IN MY AREA.
ESSENTIALLY I FEEL LIKE I REPRESENT THREE DIFFERENT TIME ZONES [NOISE] TIME?
>> [LAUGHTER]I'M GLAD THAT YOU INCLUDED A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I WOULD BE CONSIDERING BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT I REPRESENT.
SOME SIMILAR TO THE SYMMETRIC COOKS THAT WERE JUST COMPLETELY RURAL THAT YOU SPOKE TO, AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MY CAUSATION, SO I APPRECIATE IT.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU AND WHATEVER TIME AND THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN THERE.
>> THE ONLY LAST THING I HAVE, WHICH MY ASSISTANT JUST REMINDED ME OF, AND SO THANKFUL FOR HER, IS THAT I HAVE THIS ONGOING CONCERN AMONG MANY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY ABOUT THE SITUATIONS OF AIRBNBS.
WILL THAT SUBJECT MATTER BE PART OF THIS? OR WILL WE LOOK AT THAT AT ALL? DO YOU EVER HAVE THAT AS PART OF YOUR, I REALIZE IT'S GOVERNED OR LAWED BY THE STATE.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONVERSATION THAT WE COULD EVEN HAVE OR WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE.
>> CHAIR MALLORY, I CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BECAUSE AIRBNBS JUST WITH RECENT STATE LEGISLATION THAT REALLY TOOK THAT REGULATORY AUTHORITY AWAY FROM COUNTIES AND CITIES, AND REALLY THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALL AT A LOSS IS WE DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO REALLY REGULATE THOSE THINGS.
WE CAN NOW DO SOME A REGISTRATION PROCESS, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THAT HAS ITS OWN CHALLENGES THAT COME ALONG WITH IT INHERENTLY AS WELL.
EFFECTIVELY, WE CAN REGULATE AN AIRBNB TO MAKE SURE THAT AN AIRBNB HAS TO BE A PERMITTED DWELLING AND IT HAS TO MEET ALL OF OUR PLANNING ZONING BUILDING CODE.
WE TYPICALLY WILL REGULATE AN AIRBNB IN THE SAME MANNER THAT WE REGULATE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE COUNTY.
THEY STILL FALL UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR ENFORCEMENT.
THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW WE WILL REGULATE THOSE NOW.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO WRITE SOMETHING INTO A ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE.
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>> WELL, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
BUT IF WE COULD HAVE MAYBE JUST SOME A LITTLE BUMP ABOUT IT OR MAYBE WHERE WE'RE AT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, I KNOW THE AUTHORITY SITS AT THE STATE, BUT THE COMMUNITY IS STILL CALLING, STILL ASKING, STILL FRUSTRATED.
>> WE CERTAINLY GET CALLS ALL THE TIME.
> >ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT AND THEN I KNOW WE NEED TO GO TO THE STATE AND TALK TO THEM BUT AMONG MANY THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO TALK TO THE STATE ABOUT.
THAT'S MY ONLY OTHER THROW-IN. KIRK PITCHED THERE.
>> WE CAN TAKE THAT INFORMATION BACK AND AT LEAST SEE HOW WE CAN WORK WITH IT ON OUR END AS WELL.
>> CHAIR MALLORY, IF I MAY, JUST A CLOSING STATEMENT MYSELF.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.
THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION, GOOD INFORMATION AND WE SEE THE EXCITEMENT ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE.
I CERTAINLY ECHO THE EXCITEMENT THAT YOU SHARE [LAUGHTER] THE SUPERVISOR.
IT'S AN EXCITING TIME TO BE PART OF THE COUNTY AND AN EXCITING TIME FOR ALL OF US HERE TO HAVE A PART IN THAT.
HOPEFULLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AND SHARE THAT EXCITEMENT WITH THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND ALL OF YOUR EXPERIENCE, FOR SURE. IT'S SO VALUABLE.
IT'S PRICELESS, HONESTLY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, AT MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT TURN.
>> IT'S BEEN A GOOD MEETING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
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