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GOOD MORNING. GOOD AFTERNOON. NO, I GOT TWO MINUTES.
IT IS STILL MORNING. ANYWAY, WELL, WELCOME, EVERYBODY, TO OUR STUDY SESSION.
AND WE ARE GOING TO DO ROLL CALL ON THIS AS WELL.
SO I'M LEARNING AS I GO. ALL RIGHT. CLERK OF THE BOARD.
CHAIR MALLORY. HERE. VICE CHAIR COMPTON. HERE.
SUPERVISOR KUKNYO. HERE. PLEASE NOTE SUPERVISOR CHECK IS ABSENT AND YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
[1. Facilities - Discussion regarding strategic advancement of Capital Building Projects. ]
WELL, THANK YOU AND GOOD ALMOST AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR .SUPERVISOR KUKNYO. AS YOU KNOW, I'M TYLER GOODMAN, ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER HERE WITH BRANDON SHOULTS, OUR FACILITIES DIRECTOR . AND WE'VE PREPARED A GOOD PRESENTATION WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR YOU TODAY TO CONSIDER.
THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER BUILDING AND LAND OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT WE SPOKE TO THE BOARD ABOUT THIS TOPIC THAT WE WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AND HOPEFULLY RECEIVE SOME DIRECTION ON TODAY AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, WE INVITE YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS AND STOP US AS WE GO.
BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE PREPARED A SUMMARY WITH ALL OF THE RELEVANT DETAILS AND BULLET POINTS SO THAT WE CAN GET YOUR DIRECTION AND SOME CLEAR AND CONCISE FEEDBACK AS WELL.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ENGAGE.
WE WANT TO HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION WITH YOU. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BRANDON SHOULTS, OUR FACILITIES DIRECTOR , TO LEAD US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, TYLER. CHAIR MALLORY, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD .
I'M BRANDON SHOULTS, THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES.
AS TYLER MENTIONED, WE PUT TOGETHER A SLIDESHOW HERE TO KIND OF WALK US THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A RECAP OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE.
JUST KIND OF REMIND THE BOARD MEMBERS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE NEW MEMBERS SITTING UP HERE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN SOME OF THIS STUFF PRESENTED TO THEM BEFORE. SO LAST YEAR, WE FINISHED A SPACE STANDARD STUDY WITH THE HELP OF GENSLER.
THIS NEXT SLIDE WAS AN INTERESTING PRESENTATION OF POPULATION FORECAST GROWTH FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY.
AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE SOME OF OUR FORECAST GROWTH WAS AND HOW IT MAY IMPACT SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTAL GROWTH AND SOME OF THE PLANNED PLACES WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME BUILDINGS. PART OF THE SPACE STUDY THAT GENSLER HAD PREPARED FOR US WAS PREPARING A RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US. THIS SLIDE HERE IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDED INTERVENTIONS BY FACILITY.
THERE WAS QUITE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN HERE NOTED TO BE WORKED ON.
WE FLAGGED SEVERAL OF THESE INTERVENTIONS THAT WERE MENTIONED BY GENSLER AS BEING UNDERWAY IN SOME CAPACITY, INCLUDING THE FIRST TWO ON THE LEFT WITH THE LIBRARY DISTRICT AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE MASTER PLAN.
THAT IS ALL PART OF OUR RURAL SERVICES STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
BOTH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATE ON OUR STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THAT PROJECT, AND THROUGH THE REST OF THEM, THE WHITE SPAR ROAD. WE'VE DONE QUITE AN EXTENSIVE RENOVATION IN THAT BUILDING, INCLUDING PARKING LOTS THAT'S GETTING READY TO BE DONE THERE.
THE GURLEY STREET BUILDING IS GOING TO BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION TODAY.
THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE RECEIVED SOME FUNDING THROUGH ARPA TO PROCURE A MODULAR BUILDING MEANT TO BE A TEMPORARY ISH EXPANSION OF SPACE. SO WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT ONE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE NOTED IN HERE IS EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THAT HAS BEEN THE PART OF THE REGIONAL DISPATCH CONVERSATION AND THE CONVERSATION OF IMPROVED OPERATIONS HERE IN THE AREA. AS PART OF THE INITIAL GENSLER SPACE PLANNING STUDY.
WE PRESENTED IT TO THE BOARD AND FROM THAT PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN OCTOBER OF 2024.
THERE WAS FOUR MAIN THINGS. MAIN DIRECTION POINTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD.
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THE FIRST ONE WAS THE GURLEY STREET REMODEL, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY TOPIC OF THE SOME OF THE SLIDES FOLLOWING.FOLLOWING THAT DIRECTION, WE MET WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND THE ARCHITECT TO REDEFINE THE SCOPE IN NOVEMBER, AND WE HAVE PREPARED A CHANGE ORDER SHOULD WE WANT TO CONTINUE IN THAT DIRECTION THAT WOULD BE READY TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD.
THE SECOND ONE THAT WE DID, THE SECOND ITEM OF DIRECTION WAS TO EXPLORE THE RURAL SERVICES DELIVERY MODEL THAT WAS NOTED WITH THE LIBRARY AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEING KEY STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT ONE. THE CONTRACT WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY.
WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING IN EARLY MARCH, AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING COMPLETION IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
WE HAD A TRAVELING BOARD MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JAMIE.
AND WE WENT AND LOOKED AT A BUILDING. THE TOWN OF PRESCOTT VALLEY WAS INTERESTED IN EXCHANGING WITH US FOR THE FOUR ACRES OF VACANT LAND THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN CENTER AREA. AND THEN THE FOURTH AND FINAL ITEM THAT WAS PRESENTED ASKED OF US FROM THE BOARD, WAS THE RENOVATION OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE DIRECTION ABOVE.
AND IT JUST SHOWS WHO'S ON WHICH FLOOR AND THE TOP MIDDLE SECTION THERE.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT REPRESENTED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY, BUT ALSO ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING ADULT PROBATION OCCUPIES 6600FT² THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS A LITTLE SPACE THERE.
I TOOK A MINUTE ON THIS FOLLOWING SLIDE HERE TO QUANTIFY ALL THOSE SPACE ALLOCATIONS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BOTH IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION. I'VE ALSO CALCULATED SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDED BASED UPON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE.
WE'VE ALSO NOTED THE FORECAST HEADCOUNT FOR 2043 AND THE NEEDED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS IN 2043, BASED UPON THOSE HEADCOUNTS. SOME OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS TO LOOK AT ON THIS SLIDE IS THE CURRENT NEEDED SQUARE FOOTAGE, BASED UPON WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALLOCATED AND HOW DEFICIENT THOSE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN THAT SPACE THAT THEY OCCUPY RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE REMODELED SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT GENERALLY ADDRESSES ALMOST EVERYBODY'S NEEDED SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THERE. THE ONE EXCEPTION WOULD BE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO THIS PLAN WE HAD CONCOCTED FOR GURLEY STREET DOES NOT ACTUALLY ADDRESS OUR 2043 NEEDED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THAT BUILDING AND SPECIFICALLY THAT DEPARTMENT. AND THEN IF WE CARRY ON INTO THE 2043 FORECAST, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENTS DO EXCEED THE NEEDED SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WOULD BE ALLOCATED BASED UPON THAT CURRENT REMODELED SQUARE FOOTAGE.
HERE WE HAVE THE I'VE CALLED THE OPTION ONE, WHICH IS THE GURLEY STREET REMODEL, AS IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PROPOSED AND CERTAIN PORTIONS OF IT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE CHANGE ORDER THAT I COULD BRING BACK WITH THE ARCHITECT TO REVISE HIS CONTRACT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ONE. BUT AS WE NOTED, THIS DOES NOT TRULY ADDRESS OUR 2043 NEED.
JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS FOR THIS ONE. THE ANTICIPATED COST FOR THIS REMODEL IS NEARLY $18 MILLION,
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AND WE EXPECT THE TOTAL COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION TO TAKE 26 MONTHS AFTER WE COMPLETE THE DESIGN, PERMITTING, AND THEN ACTUALLY DO THE WORK. A COUPLE OF PROS ABOUT THIS OPTION IS IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING.WE ALREADY HAVE PRE-BUILT VALUE IN THIS, AND IT'S GOT A GREAT LOCATION BEING NEAR SUPERIOR COURT.
TWO OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE AN ADJACENCY NEED WITH SUPERIOR COURT AS THEY TRAVEL DOWN TO COURT ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND IN SOME CASES, MULTIPLE TIMES IN A DAY. THE CONS TO THIS PROJECT WOULD BE THAT THE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO LIVE IN A BUILDING THAT'S BEING REMODELED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S LIVED IN A HOUSE THAT'S RECEIVED A REMODEL.
IT CAN BE INTRUSIVE. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT.
BUT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, THERE WILL BE SOME INTRUSION.
AND AGAIN, THE LAST BULLET POINT DOWN THERE, THIS DOES NOT SOLVE OUR 2043 NEED.
THIS NEXT SLIDE HERE IS TITLED OPTION TWO, WHICH IS A PURELY A SELL AND REPLACE THIS BUILDING.
QUESTION WOULD BE DO WE WANT TO REPLACE THIS BUILDING AT THE CURRENT SIZE, OR WOULD WE WANT TO REPLACE IT AT THE 2043 FORECAST SIZE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE SPACE FOR THE DEPARTMENT'S GROWING THERE? DEPENDING UPON WHICH ONE WE CHOOSE, THE REPLACEMENT COST OF THE CURRENT SIZE COULD BE $41 MILLION.
OR IF WE CHOOSE TO ADDRESS THAT 2043 FORECASTED SIZE, IT WOULD BE $68 MILLION.
WE WOULD, OF COURSE, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THE OLD BUILDING.
WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT OLD BUILDING WOULD BE.
I DO KNOW THAT THE BUYER'S MARKET FOR THAT WOULD BE SLIM.
THERE WOULD BE SOME BUYERS, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE A HUGE TURNOUT FOR THAT.
AND THEN OVERALL FORECAST OF TIME WOULD BE 30 MONTHS TO COMPLETE BY THE TIME WE LOCATE LAND, BUILD A NEW BUILDING, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND ACTUALLY GET EVERYBODY MOVED OVER.
A COUPLE OF PROS FOR THIS OPTION. NEW BUILDING, NEW FEATURE.
WHO DOESN'T LIKE NEW BUILDINGS, NEW FEATURES, NEW CARPET NEW NEW NEW.
IT'S NEW TECHNOLOGY. IT'S NICE. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN A REMODEL.
THAT IS A VERY NICE THING. AND IT HELPS REDUCE SOME OF THE COSTS INVOLVED.
AGAIN, I'D MENTIONED ON THE REMODEL SLIDE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RENT SOME TEMPORARY SPACE.
WE'D HAVE TO RELOCATE 911. THERE WOULD BE SOME COMPLEXITY IN THAT ONE.
THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS ONE IS WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THAT.
A COUPLE OF CONS ON THIS. ONE IS WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY AND BUILD A NEW BUILDING FIRST, AND THEN THE NEW LOCATION HAS AN IMPACT ON THE YAVAPAI COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ADULT PROBATION AND WOULD BE LESS LESS CONVENIENT FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
JUST IN PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, AGAIN, WE HAD JUST TALKED ABOUT THE FREQUENT TRIPS THEY MAKE DOWN TO THE COURTHOUSE, SOMETIMES MULTIPLE TRIPS IN A DAY, AND THE FURTHER WE MOVE THEM AWAY FROM THE COURTHOUSE, THE MORE TIME IT TAKES THEM JUST TO GET TO COURT EVERY DAY.
BECAUSE THERE IS ACTUALLY ENOUGH SPACE TO PROVIDE THEIR 2043 FORECASTED NEED, AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOUSAND SQUARE FEET LEFT OVER AND WE COULD LOOK AT CONFERENCE ROOMS OR PROVIDING WITH OTHER PARTNERS IN THE AREA IF NEED BE.
THE FORECAST COST FOR THESE TWO WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF THE NEW BUILDING AT $28 MILLION AND THE $18 MILLION REMODEL THAT I BELIEVE THAT FORECAST WOULD STILL BE CORRECT. THE PROJECTED GROWTH FOR THE REMAINING DEPARTMENTS IS MET.
THE NEEDED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE TWO REMAINING DEPARTMENTS BEING YAVAPAI COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ADULT PROBATION WOULD BE SLIGHTLY OVER 57,000FT², AND THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT BUILDING IS PUSHING 60,000FT².
SO IT DOES GIVE US A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN PROVIDING OTHER AMENITIES AGAIN, WHETHER THAT BE OUR OWN CONFERENCE ROOMS, CENTRALIZED CONFERENCE ROOMS, OR IF WE WANTED TO PARTNER WITH ANOTHER ENTITY AND PROVIDE THEM SPACE,
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POSSIBLY AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER. JUST AS A THOUGHT, A COUPLE OF PROS WE'VE GOT LISTED FOR THIS OPTION.IT DOES SATISFY THE GROWTH NEEDS FOR MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, LESS IMPACT ON THOSE DEPARTMENTS IN THAT BUILDING, BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED IN A REMODEL WOULD BE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
IT WAS LOUD. IT WAS INTRUSIVE. THEY CAN'T BE THERE FOR MULTIPLE REASONS DURING A REMODEL.
NOT ONLY IS IT GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THEIR ABILITY TO DO THEIR ADMINISTRATION WORK, BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE A NEED FOR US TO BE PHYSICALLY WORKING IN THEIR SPACE TO ADDRESS SEWER AND WATER LINES THAT ARE RUN IN THE CEILING SPACE BETWEEN THOSE FLOORS.
SO HUGE IMPACT. AND WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE YCSO OUT OF THAT SPACE, NOT INTO A TEMPORARY SPACE, INTO A MORE PERMANENT SPACE, AND NOT IMPACT THEM NEARLY AS MUCH.
WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY FOR THE YCSO ADMIN, COMPLETE THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY, THEN MOVE YCSO INTO THAT NEW SPACE AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, WE COULD THEN PROCEED WITH THE REMODEL SPACE.
HOPEFULLY WE COULD GET THAT MOVED OVER INTO THAT NEW BUILDING WITH THEM. AND JUST THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY TOTAL COST WOULD BE ABOUT $46 MILLION. YEAH, IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER. I WISH IT WAS THAT CHEAP.
SO MUCH BETTER. YEAH. OVERALL TIME FRAME WOULD BE ABOUT 48 MONTHS.
ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE PAST GURLEY STREET. 48 MONTHS? I'M SORRY. NO. GO AHEAD. 48 MONTHS. YOU SAID YES TO DO.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD BE COMPLETED AND A NEW IN A NEW PLACE? YEAH. AND THAT WOULD REALLY BE. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THE FIRST 24 MONTHS.
SO WE WOULD TAKE ABOUT 24 MONTHS TO GO THROUGH DESIGN, BUILD A NEW BUILDING, MOVE YCSO INTO THAT.
OKAY, THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. ON WHO GAVE YOU THE NUMBERS ON ANTICIPATED HEADCOUNTS.
OKAY. BECAUSE JUST THINKING ABOUT WITH ADULT PROBATION, THEY'RE AT 41.
BY 2043, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT 53, BUT I THINK THEY'RE ASKING FOR 11 NOW.
SO THAT WOULD PUT US AT 52. SO WE'D HAVE TO HIRE ONE MORE PERSON IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
TO GET TO THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATING FACTORS IN A LOT OF THIS.
AND WHEN WE ASKED THE DEPARTMENTS TO FORECAST, WE WEREN'T DOING A DEPARTMENT ANALYSIS.
IT WAS REALLY JUST BASED UPON THE BEST GUESS THAT THE DIRECTORS HAD.
AND WE TOLD THEM WE WEREN'T HOLDING THEM TO IT BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING SCIENTIFIC. IT WAS REALLY JUST OUR INDIVIDUAL BEST GUESS. AND I EVEN PROVIDED MY OWN NUMBERS IN HERE THAT COULD FLUCTUATE. YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE HUGE GROWTH IN SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, I'M DEPENDENT ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND SO MY FORECAST MAY NOT BE CORRECT. THERE CAN BE OTHER THINGS THAT IMPACT SOME OF THESE HEADCOUNT NUMBERS, LIKE STATE LEGISLATION. WE SAW THAT AFFECT OUR JUVENILE JUSTICE CENTER.
WE WERE FORECASTING PARTICULAR INMATE NUMBERS.
AND THEN STATE LEGISLATION CHANGED AND THEY DRAMATICALLY DROPPED.
AND SO THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT CAN PLAY INTO THAT, THAT ARE REALLY SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANTICIPATE OR KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY IMPACT US UNTIL WE'RE STANDING THERE LOOKING AT THE LEGISLATION.
GO AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE, PLEASE.
BRANDON OR TYLER, REMIND ME WITH THIS OPTION, ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ADULT PROBATION COULD REMAIN IN THAT BUILDING DURING THAT REMODEL. YES, THAT IS MY ASSUMPTION RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT IS THE REMAINING DEPARTMENT. SO THE 57,240FT² IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH ADULT PROBATION AND COUNTY ATTORNEY BASED UPON THEIR 20 43 NEEDED SQUARE FOOTAGE.
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2 THAT IS NEEDED IN THE BUILDING. SO IT WOULD BE THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD REMAIN.AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FORECASTED NEED WAS 39,150.
I KNOW THAT'S UNDER THEIR CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S LISTED NOW, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE ABOUT THAT DETAIL ON THEIR HEAD COUNT. IN REFERENCE TO THE GURLEY STREET BUILDING IN TERMS OF OUR STAFF, ARE WE ABLE TO MOVE ADULT PROBATION OUT SOMEPLACE ELSE AND MOVE OUR STAFF BACK IN? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO. WE COULD CERTAINLY DO ANYTHING WITH THAT BUILDING ONCE WE PICK ONE OF THESE CONCEPTS, AND IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF DETERMINING WHICH DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE GOING WHERE.
AND THERE'S SOME TIMING THAT COMES, YOU KNOW, THE FURTHER THEY ARE AWAY FROM A COURT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COME INTO THE COURTS, THE MORE TIME EACH STAFF MEMBER NEEDS JUST TO MAKE THAT SINGLE APPEARANCE.
BUT YES, TO YOUR POINT, IT REALLY COULD BE ANY DEPARTMENTS.
YOU GUYS COULD MOVE UP THERE IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH, YEAH.
CHAIR, IF I MAY FOLLOW UP ON THAT. YEAH. VICE CHAIR S COMMENT.
BUT TO MOVE ADULT PROBATION OUT OF DOWNTOWN. OH, RIGHT.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, WE'D HAVE THE INCREASED COST FOR NEW LOCATION.
AND IT WOULD JUST BE CONDUCIVE FOR US FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING DOWNTOWN AS WELL.
YEAH. AND WHEN YOU SAY US, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FAIR STREET IN PARTICULAR. YES YES, YES. FAIR STREET, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. AND WE'LL GET TO THAT TOO COMING UP TO SOME MORE DETAIL ON THAT ONE. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PROJECT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT I THINK WILL HAVE I CALL IT THE DOMINO EFFECT THAT WILL GREATLY BENEFIT THE SPACE NEEDS AT FAIR STREET AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I GOT A QUESTION.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PROJECT. I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE HYBRID.
OKAY. WE HAVE TO BUILD THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING FIRST, WHICH MEANS GURLEY WILL STAY AS IT IS, AND THEN WE MOVE THEM IN THERE. AND THEN WE START ON GURLEY.
AND WOULD THAT BE I MEAN, SO JUST WHEN WOULD WE START THIS LIKE, I MEAN, I KNOW THE BOARD IS THE ONE THAT KIND OF GETS THINGS GOING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OUR NEXT FISCAL YEAR START THIS.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I ASSUME, BRANDON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOUR TIME ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON POINT OF GIVING DIRECTION TO PROCEED. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. AND WHAT I'M ANTICIPATING, AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME DIRECTION TODAY TO PURSUE ONE OF THESE OPTIONS.
I WOULD IMMEDIATELY CALL THE ARCHITECT AND START CRAFTING A NEW PLAN.
AND DEPENDING UPON THE DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE REMODEL ON GURLEY STREET, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT SOLICITATIONS NEED TO LOOK LIKE FOR A NEW ARCHITECT FOR A NEW BUILDING.
AND WE WOULD START MOVING ON THAT JUST AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD.
AND THEN, YEAH, TO MAURY'S POINT, I BELIEVE IT WOULD TAKE US ABOUT THAT MUCH TIME TO PROCURE.
ON THIS BUILDING YOU MENTIONED CHANGE ORDERS NOW.
CHANGE ORDERS ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING TO DO. THERE IS WHEN IT COMES TO AN ARCHITECT.
AND IT'S A DRAMATIC COST AN INCREASED COST OF BUILDING A BUILDING ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WOULD YOU BE STILL USING GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, OR WOULD YOU MOVE INTO A DESIGN BUILD WHICH IS MUCH FASTER AND IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE IN M Y OPINION. ARE YOU WHAT PROCESS WOULD YOU BE USING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? BECAUSE THE SOONER WE CAN GET IT UP, THE BETTER. SO I TOTALLY AGREE.
DESIGN BUILD IS A MUCH FASTER PROCESS. THAT WAS PART OF WHY WE CHOSE THAT WITH THE RENOVATION FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. INDUSTRY STANDARDS ACTUALLY SAY DESIGN BID BUILD IS THE CHEAPEST OPTION, BUT IT TAKES THE MOST AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH EACH STEP ONE STEP AT A TIME.
AND SO IT ADDS TIME AND USES SOME OF MINE, BUT THE OVERALL COST INDUSTRY STANDARD SAYS THAT DESIGN BID BUILD IS THE CHEAPEST MODEL, AND THEN A DESIGN BUILD WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE, AND THEN A CMAR WOULD BE THE MORE EXPENSIVE MODEL.
YEAH, THE CMAR NOT SO MUCH NOW, BUT TH AT BRINGS UP A POINT IN REFERENCE TO, IN REFERENCE TO YOUR NOT YOUR CAPABILITY BUT STAFF'S TOTAL CAPABILITY OF DOING THIS PROJECT. WITH DESIGN BUILD, YOU CAN FARM A LOT OF THAT OUT AND TAKE THAT OFF YOUR LOAD SO YOU CAN DO OTHER PROJECTS.
IT REMOVES THE EXTRA STEP OF THE EXTRA SOLICITATION IN THERE.
WE STILL STAY HEAVILY ENGAGED FROM THE FACILITIES.
OH, OF COURSE, I DON'T MEAN YOUR.
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I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY VIOLATION, BUT I'M NOT TIED TO ONE PROCESS OR ANOTHER.OKAY. SO. THANK YOU. I THINK I COULD TAKE THAT DIRECTION IF NEED BE.
HAVE WE INQUIRED ON THE CITY OF PRESCOTT? I KNOW THEY JUST ADDED A BUNCH OF SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THEM.
WITH THE NEW BUILDING, THEY GOT TO BE PULLING PEOPLE OUT OF THE OLD BUILDINGS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TALK WITH THEM AND USE SOME OF THEIR SPACE BEFORE IT BECOMES A HOTEL? AND I KNOW WITH YAVAPAI IN PERSON, LEARNING HAS GONE DOWN.
IT'S A LOT ONLINE. DO THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY USE IN THIS INTERIM AT THE COLLEGE TO RUN OUR DEPARTMENTS OUT OF, AND THEY ALL STAY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, AND WE'RE ALL CHARGING THE SAME TAXPAYER ANYWAY.
I SPECIFICALLY ON THE CITY OF PRESCOTT, I KNOW THEY'LL VACATE HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, AND THEY'LL BE STARTING WITH THE DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT AT THAT SITE.
SO THAT PROBABLY WON'T BE AN OPTION HERE JUST 3 OR 4 MONTHS FROM NOW.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT PARTNERSHIPS.
ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS I WANTED TO GO BACK ON IS THE TIMING OF ALL OF THIS.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR BUDGET SEASON. YOU HAD A GREAT PRESENTATION YESTERDAY AND DISCUSSION. WHATEVER DIRECTION WE RECEIVE TODAY, WE AS STAFF WILL NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE COST, THE COST TO BORROW POTENTIALLY FOR THESE LARGE DOLLAR ITEM BUILDING AND PROJECTS, THE COST OF THAT ONGOING. ALSO THE BUDGET CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE OF DESIGN AND BUILD AND IN WHAT YEARS MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE STEPS AND PIECES COME INTO PLAY TO ACCOMPLISH THE BOARD'S GOAL. SO WITH WHATEVER DIRECTION WE RECEIVE, WE WILL BE GOING BACK AND CRUNCHING SOME NUMBERS AND LOOKING AT GREATER DETAIL AND COMING BACK WITH EVEN FURTHER INFORMATION TO ACCOMPLISH WHATEVER GOAL THAT YOU HAVE AND GIVE YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION IN THAT REGARD.
AND IS THAT MR. THOMPSON IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING IN THE OTHER STUDIES TO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN DO? THE OTHER FIRM THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IN IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT BOND FINANCING.
YES. YEAH. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE WITH THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR? IS THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE BOARD? YES, I BELIEVE SO. AND I WOULD WANT TO DIRECTION, BUT I APPRECIATE ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGER HERE JUMPING IN.
THAT'S THE COMMENT I WAS GETTING READY TO MAKE.
WE ARE AGAIN WANTING HOPING FOR SOME DIRECTION TODAY, BUT THAT DIRECTION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE TIED BACK TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH YOU JUST YESTERDAY AND FIGURING OUT WHAT IS WHAT CAN WE AFFORD TO DO? AND IS THERE THE THE FIRST THE REMODEL WAS EXPECTED TO BE 19 MILLION.
IS THERE A CHANCE TO MAYBE DIP INTO SOME OF OUR RESERVES THAT WE SAW YESTERDAY, RATHER THAN BONDING OUT AND THEN BUILD UP OUR RESERVES OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS BACK AGAIN OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER? YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SUGGESTING WITH STIFEL HAVING THEM COME IN AND START WITH DOING AN ANALYSIS OF OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL POSITION AND HELPING US MAKE DECISIONS.
WHAT MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF CASH VERSUS BOND DEBT FINANCING OR A COMBINATION THEREOF? YEAH. STIFEL T HAT WAS THE NAME I FORGOT. THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT SO, OF COURSE, I'VE BEEN HERE PART OF THE OLD BOARD, YOU KNOW, THE 2019 BOARD. AND SO WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND I WHEN I SAY OLD BOARD, I'M NOT REFERRING TO ANYBODY'S AGE HERE. JUST MAKING SURE WE COVER THAT.
SO IT'S 2024 OR 2025. AND SO I W ANT TO GET THIS DONE. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DEFINITE DIRECTION. IT'S KIND OF A BUMMER TO ME THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE BUILDING IS BUILT IN ORDER TO REMODEL GURLEY.
IF WE REMODEL GURLEY FIRST, WE STILL HAVE TO MOVE THE SHERIFF AND ALL OF THAT AROUND TOWN.
IS THAT RIGHT? YES. YEAH, I SEE THE THE OCCUPIED REMODEL IS BEING VERY COMPLICATED, AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT EITHER RENTING OR LEASING SOME SPACE, WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AND SEEING HOW MUCH SPACE THEY COULD AFFORD US.
I'M ASSUMING MAYBE AROUND A YEAR'S WORTH OF TIME, SO WE COULD GET THROUGH THE DEMOLITION AND REWORK TO A POINT THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE SO INTRUSIVE IN THE SHERIFF'S SPACE DOWN THERE.
SO IT IT WOULD BE VERY INTRUSIVE AND IT WOULD BE VERY COMPLICATED.
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IT IS ABOUT THE 911 DISPATCH. RIGHT. THEY ARE 24 OVER SEVEN OPERATION DOWN THERE.THEY NEVER GET ANY BREAKS. THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO BE FUNCTIONAL.
IT'S A CRITICAL FUNCTION FOR US. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO INVEST IN TEMPORARY SPACES FOR THEM, PROBABLY ON SITE REROUTING SOME OF THEIR COMMUNICATION CABLES.
IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER FOR US AND OUR DISPATCH CENTER TO HAVE A NEW CENTER UP AND RUNNING WITH MINIMAL DOWNTIME, SO THAT WE'RE REALLY JUST FACED WITH MOVING EQUIPMENT AND BODIES OVER THERE AND NOT HAVING TO REWORK COMMUNICATION NETWORKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST IT GETS VERY COMPLICATED. OKAY, SO WE GIVE YOU A DIRECTION.
I'M THIS IS JUST ME. I'M JUST LAYING OUT A PLAN.
WE'RE NOT VOTING ON NOTHING. I'M JUST TALKING.
WE WANT YOU TO GO AHEAD AND GET GOING WITH A NEW BUILDING FOR THE SHERIFF SO THAT WE CAN REMODEL GURLEY. SO NOW THAT CAN HAPPEN, LIKE THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING FOR. SOMETHING HAPPENS TODAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING FOR.
OH, I WOULD AGREE. I'M READY TO GO. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS FOREVER, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MAKING A DECISION. AND OPTION THREE SEEMS TO BE THE BEST.
IT'S JUST EASIER FOR YOU. IT'S EASIER FOR THE SHERIFF.
IT'S EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO GET THE NEW BUILDING AND GET MOVING. IN MY MIND, WHEN YOU CREATE REGIONAL, THE DISPATCH MOVE DISPATCH, ARE WE CONSIDERING THE POSSIBILITY THAT REGIONAL DISPATCH BECOMES A REALITY WHEN ACCOUNTING FOR SPACE? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD DEFINITELY PUT INTO THE PROGRAMING OF THE BUILDING. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW BUILDING, WE WILL SIT DOWN WITH THE SHERIFF AND WE WILL SPECIFICALLY DO AN ARCHITECTURAL PROGRAM. HOW MANY OFFICES DO YOU NEED? WHAT ARE THE SIZES? WHAT ARE THE SPACE STANDARDS? HOW DO THEY CONFORM TO THE CITY? WHAT SPECIAL NEEDS DO YOU HAVE? WHAT'S YOUR DISPATCH CENTER LOOK LIKE? HOW MANY STATIONS DO YOU HAVE? HOW DOES IT NEED TO BE CONFIGURED? WE WOULD BEAT UP ALL OF THAT, AND WE WOULD BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS NOT ONLY ABOUT THEIR ADMINISTRATION SPACE, BUT WHAT DOES THAT OPERATION, THAT DISPATCH CENTER SPACE NEED TO LOOK LIKE.
AND WHETHER IT BE TODAY'S SQUARE FOOTAGE, SLIGHT GROWTH, HUGE GROWTH, REGIONALIZED, THE THING THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THAT A LOT, I THINK FOR YOU GUYS IS GOING TO BE THE COST FACTOR.
I'VE HAD RECENT BIDS COME IN AT $1,000 A SQUARE FOOT.
YOU GUYS WILL SEE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA ON OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING TO REJECT BIDS FOR THE PHARMACY, BECAUSE IT CAME IN AT $1,000 A SQUARE FOOT. WAS THAT A LOCAL? WHERE DID THEY COME IN? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? AT $1,000 A FOOT? YES. THERE WERE THREE LOCAL COMPANIES, THREE ARIZONA COMPANIES WHO ACTUALLY BID ON IT.
ONE OF THEM WAS HALEY CONSTRUCTION, WHO WAS OUR LOW BIDDER, IF YOU WILL.
I WAS JUST I'VE BEEN SHOCKED. I'VE HAD TWO BIDS COME IN THAT HAVE JUST ABSOLUTELY FLOORED ME.
WE WENT BACK TO THE ARCHITECT AND HE WAS FLABBERGASTED.
BUT IT'S JUST IT'S BEEN CRAZY WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH COSTS.
I'VE UPPED THAT IN THESE THIS PRESENTATION TO $700 A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH I STILL CHOKE ON.
I'M STILL STRUGGLING EXPECTING TO SEE THOSE COSTS, BECAUSE WE BUILT THE JUSTICE CENTER AT $770 A SQUARE FOOT, ROUGHLY. BUT I KNOW EVERY CHANGE ORDER THAT I SAW IN THERE TO YOUR POINT, I GOT KILLED ON IT.
TO THE POINT WE SAID NO MORE CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THEM. WE'RE BLOWING OUR BUDGET WITH WITH THE CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE THE COSTS HAVE GONE UP SO MUCH, SO VERY EXPENSIVE. WHAT IS DRIVING THAT? I MEAN, BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT A REALLY NICE CUSTOM HOME, YOU COULD JUST BUY THOSE FOR ABOUT 350, 400 A SQUARE FOOT.
HOW ARE WE GETTING TO A THOUSAND? SO ARE WE ALSO USING MARBLE AND CUSTOM GRANITE COUNTERTOPS? FORTUNATELY, NO, THAT HAD JUST PLASTIC LAMINATE COUNTERTOPS IN IT.
THERE WAS NOTHING TERRIBLY INTERESTING ABOUT THAT WHOLE BUILDING.
IT IS A PHARMACY, SO IT HAD MEDICAL GRADE FLOORING.
THERE WAS SOME EXTRA SECURITY FEATURES IN PLACE THERE.
I THINK PART OF WHAT DROVE THAT, IT WAS A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT. IT WAS ALL OF 1000FT².
AND THE SMALLER THE BUILDING YOU HAVE, THE HIGHER THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SO MANY MOBILIZATION COSTS AND SO MANY GENERAL CONDITION COSTS THAT GET BAKED INTO THAT TOO. AND IT REALLY DOES DRIVE IT UP.
SO THE SMALLER THE FOOTPRINT, THE HIGHER THE COST, THE BIGGER THE FOOTPRINT, THE MORE YOU CAN SPREAD THAT OUT. WHAT DRIVES IT IS MATERIAL COSTS. LEADING UP TO ONE OF MY LAST BIDS, I HAD ONE OF THE LOCAL CONTRACTORS COME TO ME AND THEY TOLD ME THAT LUMBER HAD GONE UP 20% IN 36 HOURS.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO SEEING INCREASE IN LABOR COSTS.
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YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT LABOR COSTS ARE. AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE DONE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.CHAIR, LET'S GO BACK TO IF WE COULD FOR A MOMENT.
THE DESIRE TO MOVE AND MOVE NOW MOVE QUICKLY ON GURLEY.
AND MAYBE I'M TOO SENSITIVE, AS USUAL ON THIS TOPIC, BUT LET'S REVISIT WHERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 3 YEARS AGO. I WOULD SUGGEST WE REALLY HAD A CONCEPT ON WHAT TO DO WITH GURLEY RATHER THAN A SOLID PLAN.
WE HAD THE CASH, BUT WE COULD NOT SPEND IT. SO WE HAD TO SET UNLESS THE BOARD DECIDED THAT THEY, REGARDLESS OF OUR CASH BALANCES, THEY WERE GOING TO BOND THAT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE OUR EXPENDITURE LIMITATION. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
SO AGAIN, WE REALLY HAD TO SIT ON IT. NOW WE GET READY TO START MOVING AND WE'VE GOT NEW OPTIONS.
I.E. TODAY THE NOTION OF, WELL, SHOULD WE SELL IT? THAT HADN'T BEEN A CONVERSATION HISTORICALLY UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE LAST FEW MONTHS THAT THAT'S POPPED UP.
THEN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT COMPLETELY RELOCATING THE SHERIFF OUT TO POTENTIALLY PRESCOTT LAKES PARKWAY AND BUILDING THAT WASN'T PART OF THE CONVERSATION JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS, AND I UNDERSTAND AND SHARE THE FRUSTRATION, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF LEGITIMATE REASONS WHY THAT HASN'T MOVED FORWARD.
AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I DO.
AND SO WE DID WE ALL WORKED VERY HARD TO GET THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT RAISED IN HOPES THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THIS VISION. NOW, YESTERDAY WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, IT WAS A TALK ABOUT A FUTURE, RIGHT.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE POSITIONS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY, THE POLITICAL WILL, ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO MAKE THE FUTURE HAPPEN TODAY.
WE'RE THERE. WE'RE IN A CROSSROADS. AND EVERY TIME WE SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT NOW BECAUSE OF THIS OR WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME UP AND THERE'LL BE SOME OTHER REASON.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND I AM ONLY ONE PERSON.
BUT I'M HERE TO SAY THAT NO IS NOT AN OPTION.
WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A FUTURE FOR THE COUNTY.
IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDINGS WE OWN THE TAXPAYERS OWN THOSE BUILDINGS.
IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE KEPT IN GOOD SHAPE.
SELLING IT? WELL, THAT'S KIND OF CONCERNING TO ME.
I CAN'T I DON'T KNOW ANY PLACE DOWN AROUND THAT DOWNTOWN AREA THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY GET TO YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO FULFILL THE NEEDS WE HAVE. I DON'T SELLING THAT BUILDING IS, TO ME, JUST NOT REALLY IN MY HEART.
AND BESIDES THAT, UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN WRITE ME A CHECK, LIKE IN AN HOUR, IT CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE I JUST WE JUST NEED TO DO THIS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT AND FINISH OUT. NOT WHY WE CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
WE THESE AGENCIES, THESE EMPLOYEES, ALL OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
AND YES, IT'S GOING TO COST MONEY. AND I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I THOUGHT MAYBE SOMEDAY WE'D GET BACK A LITTLE BIT TO WHERE WE USED TO BE.
I'M REALLY KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT CONCEPT THESE DAYS.
IF WE CAN EVER GET BACK TO EVEN TOMORROW. YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE PRICE YESTERDAY FOR LUMBER? I MEAN, WE GOING TO GET BACK THERE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT ALL I KNOW IS THAT WE GOT TO MOVE AND WE GOT TO DO THIS.
IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
I'M ONLY ONE PERSON, BUT WE HAVE TO. THE SHERIFF HAS TO GET.
I REALIZED WE HAVE SHERIFF DAVID RHODES NOW. WE'LL HAVE OTHER SHERIFFS IN THE FUTURE.
WE'LL HAVE OTHER COUNTY ATTORNEYS. WE'LL HAVE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SUPERVISORS.
ALL OF US. WE ARE HERE NOW TO DO A JOB AND WE'VE GOT TO GET IT DONE, AND THAT'S ALL I KNOW.
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SO I'M AN OPEN BOOK ON HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BECAUSE EVERY MINUTE OF THE DAY IS COSTING US MORE MONEY.SO YEAH, I'M GOING TO MAKE A DECISION. IF NO MORE CONVERSATION ON GURLEY STREET, I APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I LOVE BUILDING STUFF, AND SO I AM NOT GOING TO OBJECT TO THAT DIRECTION AT ALL.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE ANALYSIS TOO. I WILL SAY THAT TO MAURY'S POINT, WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN FOR GURLEY STREET, BUT IT OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T ADDRESS OUR SPACE NEEDS.
AND SO IT WASN'T A GREAT PLAN. IT WAS A PLAN AND IT WAS MODERNIZING THE BUILDING AND WE WERE RECOUPING SOME SPACE, BUT WE WEREN'T ADDRESSING ALL OF OUR NEEDS. SO I CAN REALLY APPRECIATE SLOWING DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, ASKING ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. LET'S DO IT SMART. LET'S DO IT FOR A REASON.
AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SATISFYING A LOT OF NEEDS. ALL RIGHT.
OTHER DISCUSSIONS. SO GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD HAD GIVEN US BACK IN OCTOBER, WE DID ENGAGE THE TOWN OF PRESCOTT VALLEY BOTH WITH THE LAND APPRAISAL.
AND THANK YOU, TYLER, FOR GETTING THAT APPRAISAL.
WE DID HAVE AN APPRAISAL COME IN FOR THE 3.86 ACRES.
IT WAS APPRAISED AT 1.175 MILLION. AND TOWN OF PRESCOTT VALLEY IS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THAT.
THEY HAVE A REQUEST FOR A 10% REDUCTION, WHICH FALLS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO GET AT LEAST 90% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE FOR A SALE, AND THEY'VE JUST ASKED FOR THAT PAYMENT TO BE MADE OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE BOB DRIVE BUILDING THAT WAS PART OF THE EXCHANGE WE WERE CONSIDERING.
WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED IS THAT THERE ARE EXISTING LEASES ON THAT BUILDING UNTIL 2058.
AND THAT WOULD TOTALLY TAKE AWAY ANY VALUE SAVINGS, ANY VALUE IN ACQUIRING THAT BUILDING.
SO THERE'S SOME COMPLICATIONS IN THERE THAT I DON'T KNOW WORKS WELL FOR OUR PORTFOLIO, BUT SELLING THE LAND TO THE TOWN OF PRESCOTT VALLEY, I THINK WOULD BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER.
AND WHAT'S WITH THAT, I ALSO HAVE A DESIRE, IN HOPES THAT SOMEHOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO SELL THE LAND THAT'S DOWN THERE BY FAIN AND 69. HONESTLY, SOME OF THAT FUNDING I'M HOPING CAN HELP WITH WHERE WE NEED TO GO. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED THE BASE ON THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THIS SITUATION, BUT. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T GET THAT DEEP IN THE LIST.
AND THEN. YEAH, WE COULD SELL THAT. OKAY. YEAH, WE WILL FIND THAT.
SO IT WOULD BECOME A CONVERSATION WITH ADULT PROBATION ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM.
YEAH. AND THEN ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT COMMERCE OR NO.
OH GOOD. OKAY THEN I'LL WAIT. DID YOU SAY CONGRESS? NO, I SAID COMMERCE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT CONGRESS.
NO WORRIES. VICE CHAIR . COMMERCE. SO SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IS THE CITY OF PRESCOTT HAS ACTUALLY APPROACHED US AT BUYING 16.8 ACRES THAT'S THAT PARCEL AT THE TOP THERE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED 16.8 ACRES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN BLUE THE BIG BOLD LINE.
IT CALCS OUT TO 163 ACRES TOTAL THAT WE OWN THERE.
IT'S DIFFICULT TERRAIN. THERE'S A LOT OF TERRAIN THERE.
WE'D SPEND SOME MONEY MOVING SOME DIRT AROUND, BUT WE OWN THE LAND THERE, AND WE COULD CERTAINLY SELL 16.8 ACRES TO THE CITY OF PRESCOTT AND STILL HAVE PLENTY OF DEVELOPABLE LAND THERE THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH ABOUT 146 AFTER WE SOLD TO PRESCOTT.
WHAT'S THE PRICE? P RICE TO BE DETERMINED. OKAY.
LIKELY PUBLIC SAFETY BEING THAT PRIME FACTOR.
AND IF WE RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM YOU TO PROCEED WITH A LETTER OF INTENT OR A MUTUAL APPRAISAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD. WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THAT TODAY.
YOU COULD GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO PROCEED ALONG THAT PATH FOR YOUR LIGHTER CONSIDERATION.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY WE KNOW THIS IS A HIGHLY VALUED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
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BUT WE GOT EASY BUILD TO THE WEST. THE HARD BUILD IS TO THE EAST.EAST AND THE SOUTH THERE. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD A MASTER PLAN OF THE AREA THAT HAD SOME ADULT DETENTION THAT WAS SOUTH OF THE JUVENILE CENTER, AND THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT DIRT WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE THERE.
I LOVE THE PARCEL TO THE EAST SIDE OVER THERE BECAUSE IT SITS UP HIGH.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO CONSIDER IF WE WERE REALLY TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL DISPATCH.
THERE ARE SOME COMMUNICATION ISSUES DOWN AT THE JUSTICE CENTER, DOWN AT THE JUVENILE CENTER.
AND SO I LIKE THAT HIGHER TERRAIN, BETTER RADIO VISIBILITY WITH TOWERS IN THE AREA.
BUT JUST KNOW ANYTHING THAT WE DO BACK THERE OTHER THAN SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE'VE ALREADY MOVED THE DIRT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE A LOT OF DIRT. AND I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE WERE ABOUT $1.8 MILLION TO MOVE THE DIRT TO CREATE THE PAD FOR THE NEW JUSTICE CENTER. SO THAT ESSENTIALLY CREATED ALMOST A FOUR ACRE PAD FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.
THE PARKING AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT THERE, AND THEN FOUR ACRES IN THE BORROW AREA.
AND I BET THAT COST IS 50% HIGHER NOW THAN IT WAS THEN.
SO, BRANDON, YOU'RE REALLY TALKING THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THE NORTHEAST PIECE OF THAT PARCEL.
IT'S IN RED. IT'S RIGHT IN THE RED. YES, RIGHT.
YES. THAT IS WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR. I HIGHLIGHTED THAT THERE IN RED.
AND THEN THE REST OF EVERYTHING WE'D BE LOOKING TO DEVELOP. IF WE END UP BRINGING POSSIBLY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, REGIONAL DISPATCH AND WHATEVER THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL COURTROOMS BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO ADD DIVISIONS? DO WE NEED TO VACATE A HISTORIC COURTHOUSE BECAUSE WE CAN'T MEET ALL THE CAPACITY, NEEDS AND EXITING NEEDS OF THAT BUILDING.
SO THERE MIGHT BE OTHER THINGS THAT DRIVE US TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS AREA DOWN HERE, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF SPACE THAT WE COULD SELL TO THE CITY OF PRESCOTT AND STILL AFFORD OURSELVES PLENTY OF SPACE. THAT'S MY MAIN QUESTION.
SO IT DOESN'T BOTHER. OKAY. YEAH. HEY. AND TO THAT.
I'M SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD. TO THAT POINT NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ACRES ARE ON THAT SOUTH EAST QUADRANT THAT WE'D STILL MAINTAIN? IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT 60 ACRES. OKAY.
PARCEL 5E. YES YES. OKAY, SO I CAUGHT SOME LANGUAGE YOU SAID ABOUT VACATING. DID YOU SAY VACATING THE HISTORIC COURTHOUSE? NOT VACATING. OH, GOOD. I KNOW THEY TOO, LIKE SOME PEOPLE, ARE CRAMMED IN THEIR SPACE.
WE'VE HAD A RECENT INSPECTION FOR FIRE MARSHAL.
WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO MEET MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY NEEDS OF SOME OF THE ROOMS OR SOME OF THE ROOMS THAT WE MAY NOT GET TO THE SIZE, CAPACITY THAT THEY NEED. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE OLD HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT BUILDING.
WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY EXIT PATHS AND AS MANY STAIRWELLS.
WELL, OKAY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE JEWEL.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS TAKE CARE OF IT ALL THE TIME.
SO I YOU KNOW. LOVE THAT BUILDING. I AM. WE ALL ARE.
PROTECTIVE. WE ALL. YEAH THAT THAT IS A STATEMENT FOR US.
THERE HAVE BEEN MANY COURTHOUSES THROUGH THE YEARS THAT HAVE MORE OR LESS BEEN TURNED INTO MUSEUMS. NOT THAT I'M A PROPONENT OF THAT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE BUILD AND THE DESIGN FROM 1917, IT DOESN'T MEET TODAY'S FIRE STANDARDS. AND WE'RE GETTING WRITTEN UP ON THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS IN THE COURTHOUSE, AND WE'RE HAVING TO STAY ON TOP OF IT. BUT I COULD SEE IN THE FUTURE US HAVING THE NEED TO ADD COURTROOMS, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE OF ROAD OF ADDING COURTROOMS WE SHOULD HAVE THE FORETHOUGHT TO BUILD GOOD JURY ASSEMBLY ROOMS IN THERE, AND WITH THAT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO VACATE SOME OF THE COURTROOMS IN THERE AND MOVE SOME OF THOSE FEATURES OUT.
IF WE EVER DECIDE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE COURT SERVICES OUT.
THERE'S AN ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE IN COURT, AND HER OFFICE IS THE HALLWAY OF A FRONT DOOR.
YES. YEAH. SO, CHAIR, IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, I WILL SHARE THAT THE PRESIDING JUDGE AND I HAVE HAD A VERSION OF THIS CONVERSATION, AND I THINK HE AND I AGREE THAT THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEYOND EVEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. BUT AT SOME POINT IN THIS COUNTY, WILL WE REACH THE NUMBERS THAT IT ISN'T SUFFICIENT? SO WHAT DO YOU DO THEN? I THINK, AS BRANDON SUGGEST, ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, EARLY CONVERSATIONS IS COULD YOU MOVE ALL OF CRIMINAL OUT TO
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PRESCOTT LAKES PARKWAY AND STILL MAINTAIN CIVIL DOWN THERE SO THAT YOU STILL HAVE A USE AND IT'S STILL A FUNCTIONING BUILDING, BUT SO THERE'D BE LOTS OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. BUT AGAIN, I THINK BEYOND THE EVEN THE REALM OF US TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT 20 YEARS.OKAY. WELL, THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. YES. THANK YOU MAURY.
AND YEAH, TO MAURY'S POINT THAT BY NO MEANS WAS THAT INTENDED TO BE A SHORT FIVE OR EVEN TEN YEARS.
THIS THIS IS LONG TERM. COUNTY'S BEEN AROUND FOR 150 YEARS.
AND TO YOUR POINT, MARY. EXCUSE ME, MISS MALLORY.
WE'LL BE AROUND FOR 150 MORE AND THEN SOME. AND SO IT'S GOOD FOR US TO PLAN LONG TERM, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, FIVE OR EVEN TEN. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT A VERY LONG TERM PLAN, BECAUSE THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
YES. THAT'S RIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT, BRANDON.
AND SO JUST WONDERING MR. THOMPSON WE DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND SELL THE DIRT OVER THERE TO THE TOWN. WE GO AHEAD AND SELL THE PARCEL TO PRESCOTT.
LET'S SAY THEY BUY THAT CAN THAT NOT HELP? DOESN'T THAT HELP WITH THE FUTURE OF TRYING TO BUILD THIS FACILITY? YOU KNOW, THE SELLING OFF THE PROPERTY HELPING US GET OTHER THINGS ACCOMPLISHED.
NO, IT IS THAT SIMPLE. THAT WOULD BE CASH THAT WE COULD PUT BACK INTO THE CIP.
ARE YOU WANTING A MOTION? AND TODAY, ON A LETTER OF INTENT FOR STAFF TO PROCEED FORWARD? YEAH. I THINK I'D JUST REMIND YOU OF TYLER'S EARLIER COMMENT.
WHEN THEY GET TO THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, THEY'VE GOT THE DECISION POINTS ACTUALLY LAID OUT FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THAT POINT. THANK YOU. YOU BET. OKAY. CARRYING ON. AND I'M SORRY.
EXCUSE ME. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. YES, SIR. AND CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD .
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. ANOTHER DISCUSSION POINT TO MISS MALLORY'S POINT.
WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW BUILDING PROPOSED ON COMMERCE DRIVE.
WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OUT THERE WE CALL THE ANNEX. WE COULD CALL THIS ONE ANNEX B. WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME NAMING. I JUST USED ANNEX BUILDING B, BUT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR 48,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
IT WOULD BE A TWO STORY, 24,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT.
THERE WOULDN'T BE A HUGE DEVELOPMENT COST ON THAT.
WE HAVE SEEN THESE NUMBERS BEFORE, AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE UPDATED THESE.
AGAIN, GOING THROUGH PROCUREMENT, PROGRAMING, CONSTRUCTION, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
WE'D NEED ABOUT 30 MONTHS TO COMPLETE ALL OF THAT.
AND IT WOULD ALSO LONG TERM HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO ALLOW US TO SELL COMMERCE CENTER CIRCLE, DEPENDING UPON WHO MOVED INTO THAT SPACE. THE BUILDING I'M REFERRING TO IS IN BETWEEN MY BUILDING AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
IT FLOOD BUILDING THERE ON COMMERCE MARKED WITH A STAR THERE.
IT'S ALREADY SET UP. UTILITIES ARE ALREADY THERE.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE COST.
I HAD PREPARED PREVIOUSLY A CONCEPT, A BLOCKING DIAGRAM IF YOU WILL NOT MEANT TO BE PROGRAMING, BUT JUST TO PROVE THAT THE SPACE WORKED AND WHO COULD WE ALLOCATE SOME OF THESE SPACES TO? LEFT HAND SIDE IS MEANT TO BE THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE HAD SET THAT UP WITH SOME LARGE CONFERENCE ROOM.
COMMON SPACE WOULD BE STAIRWELLS, ELEVATORS, RECEPTION SPACE IF NEEDED, WHATEVER NEEDED TO BE IN THERE, PUBLIC RESTROOMS. WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THE LIBRARY'S WAREHOUSE DOWN THERE.
WE COULD ALSO ACCOMMODATE THE ELECTIONS WAREHOUSE IN THERE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW ELECTIONS TO COME OUT OF THE TRIPLE C BUILDING AND WOULD ALSO BRING THEM TOGETHER TO BE IN A SINGLE LOCATION SO THAT THEY'RE NOT MAKING TRIPS BETWEEN LOCATIONS.
THE OTHER HALF OF THIS BUILDING I'VE LABELED AS COUNTY STORAGE, WHICH WOULD PRIMARILY BE MY DEPARTMENT MANAGING STORAGE OF HISTORIC ITEMS THAT WE'VE GOT, OUR SURPLUS GOODS, AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF'S GOING TO COME FROM THE BUILDING DOWN THERE ON FAIN ROAD.
SO TO YOUR POINT OF POSSIBLY VACATING THAT, THIS IS SETTING UP THE STAGE FOR THAT, WHEN WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH ADULT PROBATION PERSONNEL DOWN THERE. SECOND FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING. LIBRARY HAS GOT A NICE FOOTPRINT UP THERE.
SO THEY WOULD BE ALL IN ONE LOCATION WITH A LITTLE BIT OF GROWTH SPACE THAT MR.
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CHRISTIAN'S IS LOOKING FOR. WE'RE SHOWING ELECTIONS AND RECORDER BEING HERE TOGETHER, THAT WAS THEIR DESIRE TO BE TOGETHER.AND IT ALSO BRINGS THEM TOGETHER WITH THEIR WAREHOUSE, AGAIN, MINIMIZING TRIPS AND WHATNOT.
WE'RE ALSO SHOWING IT OFFICES OVER HERE, WHICH WOULD PUT THEM OVER TOP OF THEIR IT DATA CENTER SO THAT THEY HAVE QUICK RESPONSE TO ANY SERVER NEEDS AND WHATNOT, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME SPACE TO BE VACATED OVER IN THE ADJACENT BUILDING TO ALLOW FOR GROWTH FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR GIS, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR EVEN FLOOD CONTROL.
YES, YES. SO DOES THAT MEAN WE WON'T HAVE THE TRIPLE C BUILDING ANYMORE? SO WE SELL THAT TOO? I'M, LIKE, SELLING EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I COULD GET THE NEW STUFF GOING. [LAUGHTER] YEAH, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A POTENTIAL.
I BELIEVE ONCE BOTH OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT LEASING DIFFERENT SPACE.
SO IF WE IF THOSE TWO TENANTS MOVED OUT, IF ELECTIONS CAME OVER TO THIS BUILDING AND LIBRARY CAME OVER TO THIS BUILDING, THEN THAT BUILDING IS VACANT AND WE ARE FREE TO SELL THAT BUILDING TOO.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT THEN. THANK YOU. YOU'RE MAKING MONEY ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YEAH, BUT I'M GETTING REAL NERVOUS UP HERE. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO BUY ANYTHING FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE AFTER I'M DONE WITH THIS JOB.
THEY'VE GOT TEN EMPLOYEES IN THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE IN NOW.
THEY'RE DOUBLE STACKED IN A LOT OF OFFICES. THEY'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE SITTING IN THE FRONT ROOM AS YOU COME IN THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A RECEPTION THAT GOT CHANGED TO A CONFERENCE, AND NOW IT'S WORKSPACE. I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LEASED SPACE SOMEPLACE ELSE AS AN OFFICE, DON'T THEY? DID THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE TRANSIT CENTER, AND I BELIEVE THEY'VE GOT ONE STAFF MEMBER DOWN THERE.
YEAH, DOWNTOWN. THAT WOULD BE FOR THEM TO CONSOLIDATE.
BUT SIMPLE IS ALREADY AT A POINT WHERE THEY DON'T FIT IN THEIR SPACE.
AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO GROW AND EXPAND AND PURSUING A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
SO THAT WOULD CERTAINLY FREE UP SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE AT TRIPLE C.
AND THEN LAST BULLET POINT. I KNOW TYLER'S ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT, BUT FUNDING AND FINANCING.
AND HOW DOES THIS ALL PLAY INTO THE PRESENTATION YOU GUYS SAW YESTERDAY? AND YEAH. AND SO JUST A BIT BEFORE WE GO ON THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE SHERIFF JUST TO COME UP TO JUST, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, I'M LOOKING OUT IN HERE AND I SEE, YOU KNOW PEOPLE I'M REARRANGING THEIR WORLD. AND I SEE OUR THREE TENANTS AT GURLEY HERE.
SO I'M REARRANGING YOUR WORLD, SHERIFF, AND I.
MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD , DAVID RHODES, YAVAPAI COUNTY SHERIFF.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK BRANDON AND TYLER.
IT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION, CAPTURING REALLY WHAT'S BEEN YEARS OF THOUGHT AND COMMENT AND MEETINGS, WHATNOT AND SIMPLIFYING IT INTO A DIGESTIBLE PRESENTATION HERE THAT I THINK I HOPE EVERYBODY KIND OF UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING THAT WENT INTO ARRIVING AT THESE DECISIONS.
AND I HAVE BEEN VOCAL IN THE PAST ABOUT THE NEED TO GET MOVING.
YOU KNOW, AND I ALWAYS SAY THIS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT WHILE WE HEAR THE TERM CRISIS ALL THE TIME.
BUT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, CRISIS MEANS EVERYBODY.
IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK, AND NOBODY LEAVES UNTIL THE SITUATION HAS STABILIZED.
AND SO SOMETIMES WHEN THINGS MOVE A LITTLE SLOWLY, WE GET A LITTLE IMPATIENT.
BUT WE'RE HERE NOW, AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT.
WE ARE READY TO MOVE. WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE, NIMBLE, TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE DISPLACEMENT AS NEEDED TO GET, YOU KNOW, TO THE ULTIMATE GOAL AND HELP EVERYBODY GET WHAT'S NEEDED OUT OF THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
AND REALLY THE ONE THING AND I'M GLAD THAT BRANDON POINTED IT OUT.
THAT'S VERY THERE'S VERY LITTLE FLEXIBILITY. AND THAT'S THE 911 CENTER.
AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION AND NOT JUST NOT JUST FUNCTION, OKAY BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE SOLID
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ON THAT CENTER, WHEREVER IT'S AT. AND A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE WIRING AND ALL THE THINGS TO THE LOCATION THAT IT'S AT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IT WAS NEVER THAT BUILDING WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE A 911 OPERATION CENTER.SO IT REALLY DOESN'T FIT THERE THAT WELL, BUT TEMPORARILY RELOCATING IT.
IF A PROPOSAL WAS MADE TO ME AND IT MADE SENSE AND WE COULD DO IT WITHOUT TERRIBLE AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION TO THE SERVICE, TO THE RESIDENTS, WE'D CONSIDER THAT.
BUT THE WAY THAT BRANDON PROPOSED IT ACTUALLY WOULD WORK A LOT BETTER.
AND IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER IF WE COULD JUST MOVE STRAIGHT FROM ONE FACILITY TO ANOTHER WITHOUT HAVING A KIND OF AN INTERIM MOVE THERE. WE HAVE WORKED WITH MR. THOMPSON AND TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO, INCLUDING RELOCATING THE NARCOTICS TASK FORCE, WHICH WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING TO FREE UP THE TRIPLE C SPACE.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE HAPPENING HERE VERY SOON, WITHIN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
WE WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. WE WILL BE THERE WITH THE BOARD AND WITH THE BOARD STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT I WOULD SAY SEAMLESS, SEAMLESS. BUT WE JUST GOT DONE BUILDING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE FACILITY, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS SEAMLESS, BUT WE'RE READY. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FOR THE SENSE OF URGENCY.
YES. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND WHAT YOU DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE SHERIFF.
AND BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK.
AM I HEARING THAT CORRECTLY. THAT WOULD BE BY FAR THE EASIEST? IT WOULD ADD A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO THE GURLEY STREET REMODEL.
NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'RE NOT THERE'S NOT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO GURLEY STREET DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THE JACKHAMMERING OUT OF THE CONCRETE WALLS IN THE OLD JAIL IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE WHILE YOU HAVE TO BE ANSWERING 911 CALLS IN THAT LOCATION IN THE BUILDING. BUT THE REST OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE AROUND SO THAT SOME THINGS CAN BE DONE IF THAT IS THE DESIRED RESULT, WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
IF YOU NEEDED SOMETHING TEMPORARILY, COULD YOU PLUG INTO PRESCOTT'S DISPATCH CENTER? DO THEY HAVE SPACE FOR THAT? WELL TEMPORARILY MEANING 12 TO 24 HOURS.
YES. WELL, NO, I DON'T LIKE WHEN WE'RE SAYING CLOSE THIS ONE.
BUILD THAT ONE. YEAH. NO, THAT WOULD NOT WORK MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THE CAD, THE RADIO SYSTEMS. IT WOULD TAKE SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING.
IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
THANK YOU. HI, DENNIS. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD .
DENNIS MCGRANE, COUNTY ATTORNEY. I WILL TELL YOU THAT AGAIN.
I WOULD ECHO THE SHERIFF'S COMMENTS. I THINK YOUR MIC WENT OFF.
I WOULD ECHO THE SHERIFF'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION.
I DID APPRECIATE IT. I'M SMILING BECAUSE I'M GOING TO LOSE A $50 BET.
I'M JUST GOING TO PAY IT WITHOUT ANY CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE.
[INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF OPTION THREE.
IT DOES PUT ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THE OFFICE, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TAXPAYERS, I THINK OPTION THREE IS THE WAY TO GO. IT'LL PUT US BEHIND, BUT WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO.
SO I DID TAKE PARTAKE IN THE LISTENING. AND OUR OFFICE CAN HANDLE IT.
IT ACTUALLY COULD HANDLE A LITTLE BIT MORE VOLUME IN TERMS OF DECONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT WAS TEETH RATTLING ON THE SHERIFF'S SIDE.
I WANDERED OVER THERE AND VISITED CHIEF DEPUTY NEWNUM.
WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT I'D RATHER PAY THE $50 IF I [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] THAN PAY ALL THIS.
ANYWAY, I HOPE THAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT OUR HEARTS ARE IN THE GOOD SPOT HERE.
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WE REALLY ARE SINCERE. THIS BOARD TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE BEST OF THIS COUNTY MOVING FORWARD.SO I BELIEVE THAT AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PRESENTATION.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. BRIAN DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND JUST SAY ANYTHING.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, VICE CHAIR COMPTON, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD .
CERTAINLY OF COURSE, WE WILL DEAL WITH THE MOVEMENT OF STAFF AND OTHER PERSONNEL TO THE VARIETY OF LOCATIONS AS NEW SITES ARE PLANNED OUT. AND WE JUST WANT TO ECHO NOT JUST WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE SHERIFF HAVE SAID. WE'VE ENJOYED A VERY POSITIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH YOUR BOARD, AS WELL AS BRANDON TYLER AND THE COUNTY MANAGER , AND WE CERTAINLY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT PARTNERSHIP AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW MR. THOMPSON WILL STAY IN TOUCH WITH YOU AS WELL BRIAN, AS WE MOVE FORWARD SO WELL THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS'S SUPPORT. I TRY TO LISTEN AND TRY TO HEAR.
THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
THE GURLEY STREET OPTIONS ARE ALL LISTED IN HERE.
ROUGH TIMELINES LAID OUT HERE. BUT THE ONE THING THAT ISN'T ADDRESSED HERE IS THE FUNDING AND FINANCING ASPECT OF IT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ONCE WE GET SOME GENERAL DIRECTION, WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF SCENARIOS WE CAN CREATE.
AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE BUDGET MANAGER TO DEVELOP THOSE.
SO I GUESS. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. FURTHER INPUT.
ON OPTION THREE SO THAT'S 46 MILLION AND 48 MONTHS PLUS 18 MILLION.
OR IS THAT 18 MILLION INSIDE OF THAT 46? 18 MILLION IS INSIDE OF THAT 46? YEAH, IT'S $28 MILLION FOR THE NEW BUILDING AND $18 MILLION FOR THE REMODEL.
AND THAT'S $28 MILLION FOR, I BELIEVE, ROUGHLY A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THEN $18 MILLION TO REMODEL THE 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. AND SO BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, WE'LL HAVE 100,000FT² OF FRESHLY RENOVATED OR BRAND NEW BUILDING.
AND WE ALREADY OWN THE DIRT FOR THE SECOND BUILDING.
CORRECT. IF EVERYBODY LIKES THAT LOCATION, I'M SUGGESTING.
IT'S FINE. YEP. WE'RE GOOD THERE. WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN.
IT'S FINE. THAT WAS A SPOUSAL. IT'S FINE. YEAH, IT'S A FINE.
YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS THAT. IT'S FINE. I'M FINE, IT'S FINE.
TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I'VE HEARD AND BELIEVE THAT THE DIRECTION FROM THIS BODY IS AT THIS POINT, I'M HEARING GURLEY STREET OPTION THREE. I'M HEARING A DESIRE TO PURSUE SELLING THE LAND IN PRESCOTT VALLEY TO THE TOWN OF PRESCOTT VALLEY.
I'M HEARING INTEREST IN PURSUING THE SALE OF 30 OR 16.8 ACRES OF LAND THAT WE OWN OUT ON PRESCOTT LAKES PARKWAY TO THE CITY OF PRESCOTT, AND DIRECTION TO PURSUE THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING ON COMMERCE.
YES. ALL RIGHT. CHRIS. WELL, I THINK ALSO WITH THE CAVEAT OF THE SALE OF THESE PROPERTIES GOING TO THIS, THESE OTHER PROJECTS, AS WELL AS LOOKING INTO A POSSIBLE REDUCTION OF RESERVES TO HELP COVER THAT COST AND REDUCE ANY KIND OF BONDING WE HAVE TO DO. AND THAT'S JUST WAY I THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE.
THAT WAS YOUR INTENT ANYWAYS, WASN'T IT. YES.
YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I WAS GOING TO UNDERSTOOD IT.
YEAH. AFTER THIS I WAS GOING TO GET TO THE FINANCING PIECE.
AND THEN KNOWING, AS WE'VE STATED A COUPLE OF TIMES, OUR NEXT STEP IS TO TALK ABOUT FINANCING OPTIONS, OKAY. AND THEN THE DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE LAND THE ACRES 16.8 DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT'S VALUED AT AT
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ALL? NO, NOT NOT CURRENTLY. NO. WE COULDN'T THROW OUT AN ACCURATE PROJECTION, BUT WITH DIRECTION NOW WE CAN PROCEED WITH DISCUSSING WITH THEM FOR A MUTUAL APPRAISAL. OKAY. SHOOTING FOR 46 MILLION. THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.AND DO WE KNOW THEIR INTENDED USE? AND WILL THAT CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE PROPERTIES? WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I THINK HE AND I AGREE WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT THEIR INTENT IS OUT THERE, JUST IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COLLABORATING, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME SHARED USES ON SOME OF THAT PROPERTY OUT THERE.
SO WE'LL WANT TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. NO MORE SPEEDING ON PRESCOTT LAKES PARKWAY.
YEAH. OKAY. SO IS THAT DOES THAT INCLUDE. OKAY.
SO AND THEN WE'RE, GOING TO. AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING? NOW. OKAY. SO WE GOT THIS. LET ME YOU'RE WE'RE GOOD RIGHT.
SUPERVISOR KUKNYO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHAIR.
YES. I'M JUST MAKING VICE CHAIR . YES. OKAY. JUST CHECKING THE BOXES.
SO FUNDING. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT ON OUR AGENDA? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE.
I'VE BEEN IN ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH STIFEL.
WE ACTUALLY A NUMBER OF US MET WITH THEM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, MOST RECENTLY, AND GAVE THEM SOME FORESHADOWING OF WHERE WE THOUGHT THAT THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO GO. THEY ARE GOING TO BE UP HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO DO SOME EDUCATION WITH SOME KEY STAFF MEMBERS.
HOWEVER, BASED ON THIS, I PLAN TO CONTACT THEM, REACH OUT AND EXPEDITE THAT CONVERSATION, AND THEN START PLANNING. IT'LL TAKE SOME TIME TO WORK WITH THEM ABOUT COST DOING AN ANALYSIS OF OUR FINANCIAL CONDITION AND COMING BACK TO US WITH A PLAN ABOUT CASH VERSUS BOND AND COMBINATIONS THEREOF.
YES. AND THAT ONE, I WOULD SAY WE'RE PREPARED TO VERY QUICKLY HAVE THAT ONE ON AN AGENDA FOR YOU.
FAIR. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL REACH OUT. VICE CHAIR , ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? YEAH. WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE BONDS RUNNING RIGHT NOW? NOT A GOOD QUESTION FOR ME. YEAH. STATE THAT AGAIN.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF BONDS DO WE HAVE. WHAT DOES THE MONEY COST US.
BUT AS WE KNOW WE RECENTLY HAD A BOND RATING UPGRADE.
SO GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR . YOU'RE WELCOME.
I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE AS CREATIVE AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, IF WE COULD GET WIFA TO DO THE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS AND I MEAN JUST MOVE THE STUFF AROUND AND SEE WHAT PROGRAMS ARE OUT THERE, AND EVEN IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF FEDERAL PROGRAM FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, COULD WE TIE THAT MONEY INTO THIS PROJECT OR LET'S JUST GO SEARCHING FOR THE MONEY? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT JOGGED ANOTHER THOUGHT.
MY CONVERSATIONS WITH STIFEL, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE VERY COMPREHENSIVE, I.E.
IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD DO THERE THAT MAKES FINANCIAL SENSE FOR US AS WELL? AND AND I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PENSION DEBT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE ATTORNEY AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. YEAH. I'M NOT SAYING NOTHING.
WE'RE GOOD. JUST DO WHAT? NEVER MIND. WE'RE NOT TALKING.
OH, YEAH, I KNOW YOU DO. YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND GET OUT OF THE BOX.
I'M GOING TO STAY IN IT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE DIRECTION FOR YOU.
AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS. WE'RE BUILDING THE FUTURE.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD THING.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING, AND WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ON THERE.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS CONVERSATION TODAY.
AND I'LL JOIN IN THANKING THE GENTLEMEN AT THE TABLE.
GREAT PRESENTATION. THANKS. APPRECIATE YOU BRANDON, YOU HAVE YOU'VE BEEN A PART OF THE PAST OF THE BUILDING OF THIS COUNTY, AND YOU WILL BE THE FUTURE AS WELL, SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT TODAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS'S SUPPORT. YES.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. IT'S BEEN FUN AND REAL FUN IT HAS BEEN FUN, TOM.
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AND THIS STUDY SESSION IS ADJOURNED.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.