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TODAY'S DATE IS OCTOBER 25TH, 2023.
HEARING LOCATION IS 1015 FAIR STREET IN PRESCOTT, ARIZONA.
86305 YAVAPAI COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.
THIS MEETING IS A WORK STUDY AND A PUBLIC COMMENT WILL NOT BE TAKEN AT THIS MEETING.
CHARLIE PITCHER, DISTRICT THREE.
RANDY RADOCCHIA, DISTRICT TWO.
MARK LAWSON, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
AND JEREMY DIED. DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
MATT BLAKE, PLANNING MANAGER, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
CLERK OF THE BOARD. DID YOU KNOW? ALL PRESENT. ALL PRESENT EXCEPT SUPERVISOR MICHAELS, WHO IS ABSENT.
AND THANK YOU. AND MR. CAWTHORN IS NOT PRESENT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
START US OFF TODAY WITH SOME OPENING STATEMENTS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUNCH THROUGH THIS AGENDA.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALL WHAT YOU DO.
AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME OUT OF THE DAY TO MEET WITH US.
[ STUDY SESSION - The Board of Supervisors will meet in joint session with the Yavapai County Planning & Zoning Commission for discussion only of the following items: ]
I'M JEREMY DYE, DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.AND SUSAN ABBOTT, PLANNER ONE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO THAT IS YOUR YOUR PLANNING STAFF FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FOLKS THAT ARE KIND OF FACILITATING OUR MEETING BACK HERE AT MISSION CONTROL, THERE IN THE BACK THERE IS ANDREA SHELTON AND SUZANNE JORDAN, AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE TRAVIS AND CARRIE FROM ITS WORKING WITH US TODAY.
SO WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR THEIR SUPPORT AND ASSISTANCE WITH THAT.
SO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND PRESENT THIS INFORMATION.
WE DO THIS TWICE A YEAR WITH OUR WITH THE BOARD AND WITH OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS, AND JUST FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GET TOGETHER, LOOK AT DIFFERENT IDEAS AND, AND, AND REALLY TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT CONCERNS AND ISSUES THAT WE MAY HAVE.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THROUGH IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT WE'VE GOT I THINK YOU'LL SEE SOME SOME BIGGER IDEAS COMING FROM OUR PLANNING STAFF AND SOME REAL FORWARD THINKING IDEAS, REALLY BASED ON SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM BOARD MEMBERS, FROM COMMISSIONERS OVER THE LAST YEAR, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE INFORMATIONAL TO YOU, WITH, OF COURSE, OPPORTUNITIES TO TO COMMENT AND PARTICIPATE.
AND SOME OF THIS INFORMATION WILL BE LOOKING TO YOU AS THE BOARD FOR JUST SOME SPECIFIC DIRECTION.
THERE'S NO ACTION BEING TAKEN.
BUT WE LOOK WE'LL LOOK TO YOU FOR FOR SOME DIRECTION.
THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM HERE.
AND. MOVE THAT FORWARD, AND I'LL LET ASSISTANT DIRECTOR MARK TALK ABOUT OUR DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
THANK YOU. JEREMY. GOOD MORNING. BOARD AND COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS MARK LAWSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO WHAT IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? WE HAVE OUR MISSION STATEMENT UP ON THE PRESENTATION.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS DEDICATED TO DELIVERING EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND UPHOLDING OUTSTANDING VALUES BY MAINTAINING EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION AND AN ATMOSPHERE OF RESPECT THROUGH EDUCATION, COOPERATION AND AWARENESS.
AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE ACHIEVING THIS IN MEETINGS LIKE THIS.
HELP US GET IN, TAKE US DOWN THAT PATH TO CONTINUALLY ACHIEVING THESE HIGH RESULTS.
SO WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED OVER THE LAST YEAR? OUR AVERAGE PERMIT TIME HAS BEEN REDUCED BY ALMOST 32%.
A YEAR AGO, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, OUR PERMITS WERE AT A 4 TO 8 WEEK TURNAROUND.
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NOW WE ARE TEETERING AT THAT 2 TO 3 WEEK TURNAROUND ON THAT.SO THAT'S BEEN A BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT BY STAFF TO GET THAT DONE.
OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED THIS PAST YEAR ON MARCH 15TH OF 2023.
OUR PLANS, EXAMINERS HAVE TRANSITIONED TO A NEW PLAN REVIEW SOFTWARE CALLED BLUEBEAM, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY EXPANDING THAT TO THE REST OF OUR OPERATIONS TO USE THAT AS WELL FOR THAT MARKUP AND MEASURING TOOL.
THAT'S BEEN AN INTRICATE PART IN ACHIEVING THOSE QUICK TURNAROUND TIMES.
AND I'LL TOUCH BASE ON THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT WITH OUR NEW VIEW SPECS.
THE DEPARTMENT HAS REMAINED QUITE BUSY THESE LAST FEW YEARS.
OUR DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REMAINS VERY HIGH.
OUR WORKLOAD IS BASED ON APPLICATIONS, PERMITS, INSPECTIONS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO INSTEAD OF EVERYONE STAYING HOME AND BEING SCARED, PEOPLE GOT GOT GOING ON THEIR HONEYDEW HONEYDEW LISTS AND STARTED IMPROVING THEIR HOMES. FOR THE COMP PLAN.
HERE'S A HEAT MAP OF WHERE OUR STRONGER GROWTH AREAS ARE IN THE YAVAPAI COUNTY.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE AROUND CHINO, NORTH OF PRESCOTT VALLEY, UP IN PAULDEN, OVER ON THE VERDE SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE A LOT MORE ACTIVE WITH WITH PERMITTING AND NEW BUILDS.
WE DID RECEIVE THE ACO SUMMIT AWARD.
SO THAT WAS A GREAT AWARD TO RECEIVE FROM THEM.
AND ALSO, THE APA GAVE US AN HONORABLE MENTION FOR THE PUBLIC OUTREACH ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT THAT JUST IS A TESTAMENT TO HOW MUCH AND HOW HARD EVERYONE WORKED ON THAT.
AND I'LL PASS IT OVER BACK TO JEREMY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. NELSON? THANK YOU.
CHAIR. GREGORY. MR. LARSON, AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU MADE A VERY POSITIVE STATEMENT THAT PERMITS HAVE BEEN REDUCED BY ALMOST 30, 32% PROCESSING TIME.
NUMBER ONE, KUDOS TO THE COUNTY FOR DOING THAT.
AND WHAT BROUGHT THAT REDUCTION? HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? WHAT DID YOU DO DIFFERENTLY FOR THAT GREAT PERCENTAGE? OFF THE BAT? I HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR HARD WORKING STAFF WHO HAD THAT GUMPTION TO BRING THOSE TWO TO WORK HARDER TO BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN. BUT WE ALSO HAD SOME STRATEGIC MEETINGS IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM BETTER TOOLS TO WORK WITH.
THAT BLUE BEAM PLAYED A BIG PART IN THAT.
ALSO, WE STARTED A TURBO TUESDAY AND THURSDAY WHERE OUR PLANS, EXAMINERS AND PERMIT REVIEW TIMES WERE BASICALLY UNINTERRUPTED FOR THE ENTIRE DAY IN ORDER TO CONCENTRATE ON GETTING THOSE PERMITS OUT.
ON BEHALF OF THE INDUSTRY, I APPLAUD YOU FOR THOSE GREAT STEPS THAT YOU'VE UNDERTAKEN.
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THAT'S HUGE.UH. GOOD MORNING. THE PERMIT REDUCTION TIME.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO RESIDENTIAL PERMITS AND NOT COMMERCIAL PERMITS? SO THE FIGURE THAT THAT MARK HAD UP THERE COVERED ALL ALL PERMIT TYPES.
SOME PERMITS WERE REDUCED MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
IT'S KIND OF AN AVERAGE OF OF OVERALL PERMIT TYPES.
SO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL COMBINED.
RESIDENTIAL. WE TYPICALLY FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S MOST OF THE MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THAT WE DO IS RESIDENTIAL.
AND JUST A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS COMMERCIAL.
SO COMMERCIAL HAS HAD SHOWN SOME REDUCTION.
RESIDENTIAL SHOWED MORE REDUCTION.
JUST GIVEN THAT COMMERCIAL PERMITS ARE SOMEWHAT MORE COMPLEX TO TO REVIEW.
AND AND WE'RE NOT DOING VERY MUCH RESIDENTIAL WORK, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT. BUT THE BUT THE COMMERCIAL PERMITTING TIME.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THE PLANS EXAMINERS EFFORTS.
AND IT FEELS LIKE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OVERWHELMED.
IS THAT NOT TRUE OR TRUE? JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME LENGTH? THERE ARE FEWER PLAN REVIEWERS THAT ARE QUALIFIED TO REVIEW COMMERCIAL PLANS.
SO THERE. SO THOSE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL PLANS AND COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS EXCUSE ME, AS THEY'RE THEY'RE ASSIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE PLANS EXAMINERS. NOW AS MARK TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE EXPANDING OUR USE OF THE BLUEBEAM SOFTWARE, WHICH IS GOING TO WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IS GOING TO REALLY STREAMLINE OUR OUR PLAN REVIEW PROCESS EVEN FURTHER.
AND LIKE LIKE HE MENTIONED TOO, THAT'S ONE OF OUR OUR ONGOING CONTINUING GOALS INTO 2024 IS TO LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE THOSE PERMIT TIME, PERMIT REVIEW TIMES EVEN FURTHER.
I KNOW LUIS IS OVERWHELMED AT SOME TIME.
YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMERCIALS, IT'S STILL A VERY BUSY DEPARTMENT.
YEAH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BUCHANAN.
YES. YOU MENTIONED YOUR LONG RANGE STRATEGIC PLAN.
WHAT IS ACTUALLY THE LENGTH OF THAT PLAN? IS IT THREE YEARS? FIVE YEARS? WE'RE LOOKING AT A THREE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.
WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THAT TOGETHER INTERNALLY.
AND WE'RE WE'RE JUST ABOUT READY.
THAT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY ROLLED OUT YET.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A THREE YEAR.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO LOOK EVEN FIVE YEARS INTO THE FUTURE THESE DAYS.
BUT SO WE'RE WE'RE FOCUSING ON A ON A THREE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY, JEREMY.
AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED.
THIS WAS ADOPTED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE AGREED TO AS A, AS A DEPARTMENT, AS A COUNTY IS TO DO AN ANNUAL UPDATE OR AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SEE IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT, FOCUSED ON IF THERE ARE AREAS OF OF CONCERN.
SO I CAN JUST DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS AS YOU ALL KNOW BY NOW, WE WERE ALL IN THE TRENCHES TOGETHER FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS UPDATING THIS, BUT THE ARES 1104 STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT EVERY CITY, TOWN, AND COUNTY IN ARIZONA HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS IT AS I MENTIONED UP THERE IN 11 804 A, IT SHALL BE PRIMARILY AS AN AID TO THE COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES. AND IT SHALL BE DEVELOPED SO AS TO CONSERVE THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE COUNTY, TO ENSURE EFFICIENT EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC MONIES, AND TO PROMOTE THE HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
AND SO IT'S REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED EVERY TEN YEARS.
AND AS AS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE BY THE BOARD ON MARCH 15TH OF THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE ABOUT SIX MONTHS INTO IT.
WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE SIX MONTHS INTO IT NOW.
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THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEY NOW HAVE A THEY NOW HAVE A DEDICATED SLIDE IN THEIR PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS CONFORMANCE, SHOWS THAT PROPERTY OR THAT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.AND THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED AT EACH HEARING BY THE BY OUR PLANNING STAFF.
YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THIS POINT? WHAT'S WORKING? ARE THERE SOME AREAS OF CONCERN OR ARE THERE SOME AREAS THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON? THOSE ARE. THOSE ARE OUR THOUGHTS.
ANY COMMENTS? I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE ON IT, AND THERE WAS.
AND WE CAME OUT WITH A PRETTY GOOD PRODUCT.
SO I DON'T I DON'T HAVE MUCH CONCERN.
VICE CHAIR OBERG. YES, I KNOW MANY OF THE COMMUNITIES GAVE US VISION STATEMENTS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZED MOVING FORWARD? YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
SUPERVISOR OBERG SO EACH COMMUNITY, EVERY COMMUNITY IN IN YAVAPAI COUNTY, UNINCORPORATED COMMUNITY.
AND THERE ARE 25 TO 30 OF THOSE UNINCORPORATED COMMUNITIES OUT THERE.
THE VISION STATEMENTS ARE AN ADDED TOOL FOR DEVELOPERS.
EACH COMMUNITY WAS OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A VISION STATEMENT FOR THEIR SPECIFIC COMMUNITY TO IDENTIFY WHAT THEIR THEIR VISION IS FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHAT THEIR VALUES, THEIR NEEDS, THEIR DESIRES WERE.
AND THOSE VISION STATEMENTS ARE UPLOADED TO OUR WEBSITE.
WHEN A DEVELOPER OR A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL COMES TO THAT AREA IS PROPOSED IN THAT SPECIFIC COMMUNITY, THEN OUR PLANNERS WILL DIRECT THAT THAT DEVELOPER TO THE NOT ONLY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT ALSO TO THAT VISION STATEMENT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMUNITY HAS A VISION STATEMENT THAT THEY HAVE THEY HAVE COLLECTIVELY ADOPTED.
IT'S NOT PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT IS IT IS THERE AS AN ADDED RESOURCE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR WHAT THEIR WHAT THAT COMMUNITY'S VALUES AND DESIRES ARE.
YOU KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS. COMMENTS.
YES. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT AND THANK YOU FOR ADDING A SLIDE THAT DESCRIBES THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH EACH APPLICATION.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO AND AGAIN, YEAH, JUST SPEAKING TO THE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO CREATING THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM CERTAINLY CAN BE PROUD OF THE DOCUMENT THAT THAT CAME FROM IT.
I FEEL MAYBE IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO PUT THOSE PARTICULAR VISION STATEMENTS IN OUR P AND Z PACKAGES WHEN THOSE AREAS COME FORWARD.
IS THAT A PROCESS OR SOMETHING YOU THINK MIGHT BE VALUABLE FOR ALL OF US COMMISSIONERS? WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
OR IS IT NOT RELEVANT AT ALL? IT IS. IT IS NOT.
THE VISION STATEMENTS ARE NOT ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY.
SO THEY ARE NOT RULES THAT WE FOLLOW.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD TO.
WE CAN ADD TO OUR OUR STAFF REPORTS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO TO THIS VISION STATEMENT, BUT THAT THAT BEING SAID, YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
I CAN'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THINK OF ANY PROPOSALS, ANY, ANY HEARINGS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT HAVE BEEN IN OR AROUND ANY OF THOSE AREAS.
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YEAH. YES, MA'AM.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I'LL TURN IT OVER.
TURN IT BACK OVER TO MARK FOR A HOME OF MY OWN UPDATE.
NOW, WHAT IT IS, IS THE AVERAGE HOME TO PURCHASE RIGHT NOW IN YAVAPAI COUNTY IS 450,000 OR MORE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS, THAT'S NOT AN AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE PRICE RANGE FOR SOMEONE WORKING IN THOSE INDUSTRIES. SO THE COUNTY ENGINEERED THREE DIFFERENT STANDARD PLANS DESIGNED TO BE SIMPLE TO BUILD AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A PARCEL OF LAND.
THESE ARE GOING TO FIT ON THOSE PARCELS OF LAND.
HAVE TAKEN THE DESIGN COST OUT OF IT.
THERE ARE REDUCED PERMIT FEES.
WE'VE DONE THEM A FEW DOZEN TIMES.
WE KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND HOW THEY'RE ALREADY APPROVED.
SO WE KIND OF CAN REDUCE THAT REVIEW TIME TO ABOUT A WEEK WEEK AND A HALF ON THESE.
THE DESIGNS ARE EASY TO BUILD AND THEY DO COME WITH AN EASY EXPANSION PLAN.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND IT AFTER IT'S BUILT, THE WALLS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE TO TAKE OUT AND EXPAND TO AN ADDITIONAL BEDROOM, ADDITIONAL BATHROOM, AND SO FORTH. THE CARPORTS COME READY ON THE ON THE PLANS.
YOU DO HAVE AN OPTION TO CONVERT THAT INTO A GARAGE.
NOW, THIS WAS DESIGNED TO FIT JUST ABOUT ANY PARCEL IN YAVAPAI COUNTY.
IF IT IS PAST THAT SLAB GRADE, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A DESIGNER TO BASICALLY BE DRAWN UP, WHICH THEN KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF USING OUR. PROGRAM.
THE WASTEWATER IS NOT INCLUDED.
BEFORE YOU GO ON, DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH BEING IN FLOOD PLAINS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THAT WOULD STILL BE REVIEWED BY THE FLOOD DISTRICT AND BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE ENGINEERING POSSIBLE.
AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT GEOTECHNICAL REPORT THAT IS REQUIRED ON THAT.
AND THERE ARE NO CHANGES THAT CAN BE DONE BECAUSE THEY ARE ENGINEERED STAMPED.
THERE CAN BE NO CHANGES DONE BEFORE OR DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT AFTER IT HAS BEEN RECEIVED THAT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THEN CHANGES OR REMODELS CAN BE MADE. THESE PLANS ARE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO LIVES WITHIN YAVAPAI COUNTY, THE UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF YAVAPAI COUNTY. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE TOWN OF PRESCOTT VALLEY AND THE CITY OF BUCKEYE, WHO ARE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH US TO USE THESE PLANS AS WELL.
OUR PLANS MUST BE BUILT AS DESIGNED.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE THAT WE HAVE THEM STAMPED WITH OUR ENGINEERS.
SO ANY CHANGES TO THAT WOULD GO OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRAM.
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PROGRAM, AND I WAS ABLE TO GET AN AVERAGE COST FOR EACH OF THOSE FOUR PLANS.SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT $150,000 TO BUILD, COMPARED TO $450,000 HOUSE TO BUY.
THAT'S A LOT MORE ATTAINABLE FOR THOSE INDUSTRY WORKERS WHO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT.
IS THERE AN AREA SPECIFIC TO THE COUNTY THAT THESE ARE GOING IN? THEY ARE GOING.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A HIGH CONCENTRATION AS TO CERTAIN AREAS.
THEY ARE BEING KIND OF SPREAD OUT ALL OVER.
WE HAVE THEM IN THE COTTONWOOD AREA IN THE JUST OUTSIDE OF CAMP VERDE.
SO JUST KIND OF JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU LOOK.
THERE'S REALLY NO HIGH, DENSE AREA OF THEM YET.
IS THERE ANY PLANS TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF HOMES? THAT'S A GREAT TRANSITION QUESTION FOR ME.
THANK YOU. SO WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GO FROM HERE? THE BOARD JUST APPROVED SOME FUNDING FOR US TO EXPAND THESE PLANS.
WE ARE MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECT NEXT WEEK TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT DOING AT LEAST TWO MORE FLOOR PLANS, POSSIBLY THREE, DEPENDING ON HOW WE CAN. SQUEEZE THOSE DESIGNS IN THERE, BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO AT LEAST EXPAND THE TWO BEDROOM AND THE THREE BEDROOM.
AND JUST ONE SUGGESTION WHEN YOU DO THE EXPANSION.
I KNOW WE WERE IN FLAG AT THE THE SUPERVISOR SUMMIT AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TINY HOMES, BUT AND LATER ON, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP AHEAD IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE ON PROPERTY.
SO MAYBE THINK ABOUT ADDING A DESIGN FOR A GUEST HOUSE IN THE BACK OF A PLACE, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE AND WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH THAT ISSUE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAN THE RVS MYSELF, BUT I'D LIKE THAT TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
MARK, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? I WAS I WAS CURIOUS ALSO AS TO HOW MANY WERE BEING BUILT ON EXISTING LOTS, AS OPPOSED TO SEPARATE LOTS.
AND. BECAUSE THAT WOULD ADD TO THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT, BUT MOST OR MOST OF THEM BEING BUILT ON NEW LOTS OR DIFFERENT OR SEPARATE LOTS. I SHOULD SAY MOST ARE BEING BUILT ON VACANT LOTS.
THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES FIT IN AS A SECONDARY RESIDENCE IS THE ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T BUILD THE LARGER ONES ON ON AN EXISTING LOT.
YOU CUT THROUGH THE RIGHT PROCESS AS IT GOES WITH THE ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
SO THAT ONE, JUST BY DESIGN, FITS.
BUT SOMEBODY WITH A LARGE PARCEL.
WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THE LARGER PROPERTIES, OR THE TWO BEDROOM OR THE THREE BEDROOM.
IF THEY WENT THROUGH THE IT WOULD BE A USE PERMIT.
CORRECT. SO THE THE THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR A 750 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO OR 25% OF THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
THE ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM IS THE ONE THAT FITS CLEANLY INTO THAT.
THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT ON THAT PROPERTY.
COMMISSIONER BUCHANAN. THANK YOU.
I NOTICED THAT THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR WAS FAR AND ABOVE THE BIGGEST BUILD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS ABOUT WHY? IT'S WHY IT SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT LAST YEAR.
DO WE HAVE ANY STAFFING ISSUES OR ANYTHING ABOUT HELPING THEM MOVE?
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IS IT JUST STRAIGHT A WHO APPLIED? YEAH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHO OF WHO APPLIED LAST YEAR.THE PLANS THEMSELVES HAVE ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
SO IT'S IT'S JUST REALLY A MATTER OF OF WHO APPLIED THIS YEAR.
AND THE YEAR'S NOT NOT OVER EITHER.
SO. OKAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO SEE IF THE TOWN OF CAMP VERDE WILL LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE IDEAS.
AND MAYBE IT'S JUST A COMMUNITY OUTREACH OR EDUCATION EFFORT TO THAT.
WE REALLY HAVE THE MESSAGE OUT THERE THAT THIS IS WORKING, AND IT REALLY DOES SEEM TO BE WORKING.
ROGER MALLORY. YEAH, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK ON THAT 150,000 PRICE.
IS THAT WITH THE GARAGE OR WITH A CARPORT? WHAT. BECAUSE I THINK SOME HAVE CAR PARTS.
YOU HAVE A GARAGE WAS 150 OR THE 65 CARPORT.
YEAH. IT IS KIND OF A MIX BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT PRICE RANGE.
BUT ON AVERAGE BOTH THOSE CARPORT AND OR GARAGE WAS INCLUDED IN THAT ESTIMATE OKAY.
SO EITHER OKAY SO EITHER ONE WOULD BE ABOUT THAT PRICE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION.
CAN THEY USE THEM? DO THEY HAVE TO BUY THEM OR ARE THEY NOT ALLOWED TO USE THEM AT ALL? I KNOW THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR OWN PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE CITY OR TOWN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THESE ARE PROPERTIES. RIGHT NOW THEY ARE SOLE PROPERTY OF YAVAPAI COUNTY.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. THANKS.
THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE CAN MOVE ON TO A DARK SKY ORDINANCE.
AND THIS IS. MATT'S GOING TO HANDLE THIS ONE.
JUST TO KIND OF PREFACE IT BRIEFLY, OUR DARK SKY ORDINANCE, WE'VE HAD A DARK SKY ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
YAVAPAI COUNTY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST IN THE COUNTRY.
AND TO HAVE A DARK SKY ORDINANCE OR A LIGHTING ORDINANCE THAT GOES BACK.
IT WAS ADOPTED ORIGINALLY IN THE 1980S, SO IT GOES BACK QUITE A WAYS.
IT'S BEEN UPDATED OVER TIME AND AS AS TIMES CHANGE, AS TECHNOLOGIES CHANGE, THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE NEEDS TO CHANGE WITH IT AND GROW AND ADAPT TO IT.
SO WE'RE REACHING A POINT NOW WHERE THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE IN EXISTENCE IS IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGIES, THINGS LIKE LED TECHNOLOGIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND SO WE ARE LOOKING TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND MATT'S DONE QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH ON THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AGENDA ITEMS THAT FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING MATT'S PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE BOARD FOR SOME DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD.
GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND COMMISSION.
AND SO I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT YOU DON'T TAKE FOR GRANTED.
SO WHAT ARE THE GOALS LIKE? DIRECTOR DYE SAID, WE NEED TO UPDATE THE CODE.
CURRENTLY, THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN PLACE THAT ENCOURAGES THE USE OF LOW PRESSURE SODIUM BULBS.
THOSE ARE PRETTY HARD TO ACTUALLY OBTAIN IN COMMERCE.
AND WITH THE ADVENT OF LED LIGHTING, IT'S GREAT.
BUT BUT MANY PEOPLE TEND TO USE LED LIGHTS THAT ARE FAR BRIGHTER THAN WHAT NEEDS TO BE.
IN FACT, LIGHTS THAT ARE SO BRIGHT, THEY ACTUALLY UNDERMINE VISIBILITY AND SAFETY, AND THE PUBLIC TENDS TO NOT NOT KNOW ANY BETTER IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE LIGHT INTENSITY FOR FOR OUTDOOR USE.
WE'RE PUTTING BRIGHTER LIGHTS OUTSIDE THAN IS NECESSARY.
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WHAT ARE SOME OF THE GOALS? OF COURSE WE WANT TO MAINTAIN SAFETY, UTILITY, SECURITY.WE WANT TO MINIMIZE LIGHT POLLUTION.
IT DOES. THERE'S THERE'S GLARE OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SKYGLOW.
AND WE WANT TO REDUCE THE DEGRADATION OF NIGHTTIME VISUAL AND ENJOYMENT.
SO WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON HERE IS ACTUALLY REQUIRING A CERTAIN TYPE OF BULB FOR OUTDOOR USE.
AND THE COOLER IT IS, THE MORE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN HERE.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE GOOD BRIGHT OFFICE STEREO LIGHTS.
PROBABLY NOT THE BEST LIGHT FOR FOR OUTDOOR USE.
WHAT WE DID, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS TO TO LOOK AT KIND OF A HAPPY MEDIUM.
THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE ALREADY USING OUTSIDE A TYPE OF, OF LIGHT COLOR THAT'S THAT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR OUTDOOR ILLUMINATION, SAFETY, ALL THE ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO CHECK THOSE BOXES ON.
AND WHILE ALSO SORT OF MEETING THE STANDARDS OF THE INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY COMMUNITY, BECAUSE ONCE WE UPDATE THIS ORDINANCE, ASSUMING WE WE TAKE THAT STEP, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THE COUNTY DESIGNATED AS AN INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY COMMUNITY, WHICH WE ARE NOT, BUT MANY OF OUR SISTER COMMUNITIES ARE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO US FOR GUIDANCE AS THEY UPDATE OR IMPLEMENT ORDINANCES ON THEIR OWN, AS WE CERTAINLY WANT THEM TO.
SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
YOU CAN FIND IT AT AT HOME DEPOT, LOWE'S.
ET CETERA. SO THAT WOULD BE THE LIGHT, THE LIGHT KELVIN THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO, TO REQUIRE AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE UPDATE. OKAY.
SO LUMENS ARE THE MEASUREMENT OF LIGHT EMITTED FROM FROM A LAMP.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAMP'S BRIGHTNESS ITS INTENSITY.
AGAIN, IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE THIS MORE MORE SIMPLE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND FOR US TO SORT OF REGULATE AND ENFORCE, BECAUSE LIKE A LOT OF THESE THINGS, ENFORCEMENT IS, IS, IS COMPLAINT BASED WITHIN THE COUNTY.
IN FACT, WE HEAR FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT ABOUT 15 OR 20% OF THE CALLS THAT THEY GET IN TERMS OF THEIR COMPLAINTS ARE BECAUSE OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHT, TRESPASS AND GLARE AND PEOPLE NOT ABIDING BY THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE TODAY.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT, THAT, THAT BURDEN ANY MORE THAN, THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.
WHILE ALSO WHEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WHEN WE LOOKED AT THESE REGULATIONS IS, WHAT ARE OUR SISTER COMMUNITIES DOING? YOU KNOW, SOME COMMUNITIES LIKE, WELL, LIKE COCONINO COUNTY AND FLAGSTAFF, THEY WORK JOINTLY.
SO THEIR THEIR ORDINANCES MIRROR EACH OTHER.
THEY'VE DONE THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK HERE WITH THE OBSERVATORY.
SO WE KIND OF TRIED TO STRIKE A HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, VERY STRINGENT ON THEIR REGULATIONS AND SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD LIVE WITH AND COULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT 5000 INITIAL LUMENS PER LOT.
WHEN I SAY INITIAL, THAT'S BASICALLY WHEN YOU BUY A LIGHT BULB.
THEY EVENTUALLY DEGRADE IN THEIR BRIGHTNESS OVER TIME.
SO INITIAL IS WHAT THE MANUFACTURER SAYS ON THE ON THE BOX.
SO 5000 LUMENS FOR FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.
THIS IS SORT OF A NEW ONE THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE CARVING OUT BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT FOR A MULTIFAMILY SETTING.
CARS COMING AND GOING CHILDREN YOU KNOW PARKING AREAS.
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SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 2000 INITIAL LUMENS PER DWELLING UNIT NOT TO EXCEED 10,000 TOTAL LUMENS PER LOT.AND CURRENTLY WE JUST LOOKED AT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WAS 100,000 LUMENS PER ACRE.
THEY'VE GOT A SPECIAL SITUATION AND ONE SHOE DOESN'T FIT ALL.
SO CERTAINLY IN THE ORDINANCE AS IT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE LANGUAGE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT THAT RECOURSE TO GET TO GET RELIEF WHEN IT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED THAT THAT RELIEF IS, IS, IS APPROPRIATE.
BUT WE FEEL LIKE THAT THIS IS THIS IS REASONABLE.
IT CAN BE DONE AND IT CAN BE DONE COST EFFECTIVELY FOR THE FOR THE PUBLIC TO MEET THESE STANDARDS.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER BIG CHANGE.
HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
SO WE LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF THE LUMENS OR BRIGHTNESS.
AND SO IN THE LAST IN THE LAST SLIDE, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION THERE, LUMEN COUNT TOTAL THAT WOULD BE REGULATED ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO NEED A LOT MORE WHETHER IT'S SECURITY OF THE PARKING LOT.
THAT IS ALSO ILLUMINATION OF THEIR SIGNAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO. YOU KNOW, ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT OR ARE WE ONLY.
YEAH. SO BECAUSE OF THIS HEAVY AGENDA, LIKE WE COULD HAVE SPENT 30 MINUTES JUST ON DARK SKIES.
SO UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO THIS IS GOING TO COME PASS BEFORE YOU AGAIN FOR FURTHER VETTING.
SO ACTUALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE ORDINANCE.
AND SIGNAGE IS, IS OF COURSE AN IMPORTANT ONE THAT'S AMONG THAT GROUP.
THANK YOU. SO PROPOSED TIME FRAME.
THIS IS ANOTHER CHANGE IS AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
I THINK IF IT'S IF YOU HAVE A LIGHT IN PLACE FROM 2006 OR SO, YOU'RE SORT OF GRANDFATHERED IN.
WELL THAT DOESN'T DO ANYBODY ANY GOOD WHERE YOU JUST BUILT A HOUSE AND YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
AND THEIR FLOOD LIGHTS ARE SORT OF AIMED RIGHT AT YOUR BACK DECK.
AND AGAIN, SORT OF LIKE A SKETCH PLAN.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SUPER TECHNICAL HERE FROM THE APPLICANT, SOMETHING THAT ANY RESIDENT COULD REASONABLY DO AND FURNISH ON THEIR OWN, BUT TO INVENTORY THEIR OUTDOOR LIGHTING IN PLACE TO DEMONSTRATE THE CHANGE TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENTS IF NEEDED.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET A PERMIT, LET'S SAY FOR A NEW DECK, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PUT TOGETHER, FURNISH A SKETCH AND AND DEMONSTRATE HOW THAT SKETCH IS, IS BRINGING YOUR OUTDOOR LIGHTING NEW OR EXISTING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH.
WITH THE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.
RIGHT. SOME PEOPLE WILL NEED TO UPDATE THEIR FIXTURES.
YOU MAY DECIDE PEOPLE NEED MORE TIME.
THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO TO TO YOU IN THIS BODY TO DECIDE.
BUT BUT THIS IS A NUMBER THAT WE FELT WAS APPROPRIATE TO RECOMMEND.
WHAT WOULD WORK AND WHAT WOULDN'T WORK.
AND THAT PROBABLY IS IS A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEY PROVIDED WONDERFUL FEEDBACK.
I THINK WE'RE ALREADY ON OUR SECOND OR THIRD REVISION TO TO THE DRAFT PROPOSED UPDATE TO THE ORDINANCE AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE REAL ADVOCATES OF THIS.
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BIT FURTHER AND TRY TO CAPTURE SOME MORE INPUT.SO CURRENTLY STAFF IS ALREADY ENFORCING IT.
AND IT'S AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPLAINT BASED SYSTEM.
SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING UP IN A CAR AT DUSK AND YOU'RE LOOKING OUT IN THE PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ACREAGE IS, YOU KNOW? SO SO YOU'RE UTILIZING LESS TIME, LESS RESEARCH IN THE VEHICLE BACK IN THE OFFICE TO SEE ARE THEY IS IT SHIELDED? RIGHT. SO THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE, WE DO ALREADY REQUIRE THAT'S VERY EFFECTIVE.
WE WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE THAT ALL LIGHTS BE BE SHIELDED WITH WITH THIS WITH THIS UPDATE.
SO. SO THIS IS JUST A MAP SHOWING, YOU KNOW.
ANY ALMOST ANYWHERE IN YAVAPAI COUNTY COMPARED TO TO SCOTTSDALE.
BUT AGAIN, WITH THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY, ITS AFFORDABILITY, WE CAN EXPECT THAT THE LIGHTING THAT WE ENJOY TODAY IN THE NIGHT SKIES IS GOING TO BE CONTINUALLY DEGRADED SUBSTANTIALLY UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING NOW AND LOOK AT UPDATING THIS ORDINANCE.
MATT, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS.
WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING THIS ORDINANCE NOW FOR CONSIDERATION WHEN AGENDA ITEM 12, WE HAVE A FULL BLOWN DISCUSSION ABOUT UPDATING THE ENTIRE P AND Z CODE.
WHY WOULD WE PULL SOMETHING SEPARATE OUT? NOW AND NOT INCLUDED IN AN OVERALL PROCESS THAT MIGHT BE APPROVED LATER.
TO ME, THAT IS CREATING WAY MORE WORK AND WE'VE GOT A COMPLAINT DRIVEN PROCESS NOW.
WHY NOT LET IT CONTINUE UNTIL WE GET OUR ARMS WRAPPED AROUND AN ENTIRE ZONING UPDATE? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GRIFFITHS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT CONCERN.
SO THIS THIS ITEM WAS SORT OF STANDALONE AND CAME OUT OF A PREVIOUS JOINT SESSION.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS CARVED OUT AND, AND ADVANCED.
IT'S SOMETHING WE KIND OF ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO AND DO PRETTY WELL.
AND WE HAVE GREAT EXAMPLES AND PARTNERS ALREADY.
SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE MIGHT LOOK TO, TO UPDATING AS FAR AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING ORDINANCE ARE MORE COMPLEX LIKE WE ALSO LOOKED AT SIGNS, WAS ANOTHER ONE, THE SIGN ORDINANCE THAT CAME OUT OF JOINT SESSION.
AND AS WE STARTED TO GET INTO THAT AND HOW IT AFFECTS PEOPLE'S FREE SPEECH AND THOSE VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT WE ALL SHARE, WE REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO ACTUALLY GET THE PROFESSIONALS INVOLVED AS PART OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE AUDIT.
SO WE MAY DECIDE, AS YOU SUGGEST, TO, TO SORT OF PARK THAT INTO THAT PROCESS.
BUT BUT JUST KNOW THAT WHERE WE ARE NOW IS WE'VE GOT A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT'S, THAT'S READY TO GO.
BUT IT'S BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S IN DRAFT FORM.
THANK YOU. I CAN I CAN TELL YOU, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY CRITICAL ITEM.
AND AS WE'VE CHANGED FROM HALOGEN AND INCANDESCENTS AND AND NOW INTO LEDS, I KNOW AS AN ARCHITECT WE ARE LEARNING ABOUT LEDS, AND WE'RE SEEING THAT THE EQUIVALENTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAT THE LEDS, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, ARE REALLY QUITE A BIT BRIGHTER.
AND IF WE'RE USING THOSE SAME NUMBERS FOR LEDS, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG MISTAKE.
AND ESPECIALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE'RE SEEING THAT.
SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DEAL WITH ASAP.
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IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE BUILDING AND EFFECTUATING IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR HOME NOW AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND ASK THEM TO UPDATE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.SO JUST JUST IN THAT LIGHT, THERE IS MAYBE A SENSE OF URGENCY.
AND I'LL JUST FINISH MY PRESENTATION ON THIS WITH THE QUOTE.
THAT WOULD BE LIKE LOSING A THOUSAND SKIES FROM VIEW A DECADE.
AND THIS IS FROM A AN ARTICLE IN A MAGAZINE BY RICHARD LOVETT, COSMOS MAGAZINE.
AND IT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EFFORTS IN UP IN FLAGSTAFF.
SINCE WE ARE COMPLAINT DRIVEN, DO WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS IN REGARDS TO THE SKIES OR THE LIGHTING OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND NEIGHBORS, WHAT HAVE YOU? I THINK MANY OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE RECEIVED FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY INDICATED THAT IT'S ABOUT 15 TO 20% OF THE CALLS THAT WE RECEIVE.
AND I REALIZE THAT THIS BODY HAS NO SAY OVER THIS, BUT I WILL SAY, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DRIVE YOUR CAR AT NIGHT AND ALL THESE NEW LIGHTS THAT ARE ON ALL THESE NEW CARS, YOU CAN'T SEE NOTHING.
SO AND THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO WRITE LETTERS TO ON THAT ONE.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S PRETTY RIDICULOUS HOW BRIGHT THEY ARE.
BLINDING. SO I JUST HAD TO THROW THAT IN THERE.
YOU'LL GET MY VOTE IF YOU CAN CHANGE THAT QUESTION.
WITH GOING BACK TO RENEE'S QUESTION COMMERCIALLY.
MOST COMMERCIAL INSURANCE CARRIERS REQUIRE.
BRIGHTNESS. SO AGAIN, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE NEED TO TRY TO ENCOMPASS ALL OF THE CONTRACTORS AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS SO THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING SOMETHING AS A YAVAPAI COUNTY PLAN IN PLACE THAT WILL NOT FIT ALL.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND BRING IT IN AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.
AND I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND, YOU KNOW, GET IT A CENSUS OF IT.
I JUST WONDER WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT? I THINK THEY SOMETIMES HAVE A THANKLESS JOB GOING OUT IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.
AND WHAT IS IT LIKE TO GO TO SOMEONE'S PROPERTY AFTER DARK? DO YOU DO YOU SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE HOMEOWNER TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS UNDER REVIEW? AND. SO, COMMISSIONER BUCHANAN.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
AH, YES. OUR LAND USE UNIT IS A FAIRLY THANKLESS JOB, BUT A LOT OF A LOT OF WHAT THEY CAN LOOK AT WHEN WE RECEIVE A DARK SKY COMPLAINT.
THE NEIGHBOR'S LIGHT IS SHINING INTO MY YARD.
THE NEIGHBOR'S LIGHT IS TOO BRIGHT.
A LOT OF WHAT THEY CAN SEE THEY DO DURING THE DAY.
SO. SO THEY'LL DO A DAYTIME CHECK AND THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT FIXTURE AND SAY, OH, IT'S NOT SHIELDED.
OH, IT'S SHINING. YOU KNOW, IT'S POINTED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
IT'S NOT POINTED DOWN AT THE GROUND, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO A LOT OF THOSE DARK SKY COMPLAINTS CAN ACTUALLY BE ADDRESSED DURING THE DAYTIME ONCE, PROBABLY ONCE OR TWICE A MONTH, DEPENDING ON THE CALLS THAT THEY RECEIVE, THE COMPLAINTS THAT THEY RECEIVE, THEY'LL DO A NIGHTTIME VISIT AND THEY'LL MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THERE'S LIGHT TRESPASS ONTO THE OTHER, ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OR WHATEVER THE COMPLAINT IS.
THEY CAN INVESTIGATE IT THAT WAY.
AND I WOULD HATE TO HAVE THE COUNTY TELL ME IN 4 OR 5 YEARS THAT I HAVE TO REPLACE ALL THOSE LIGHTS.
AGAIN, AS A COMMUNITY, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT WOULD SAY, WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? WE JUST WENT FROM INCANDESCENT LIGHTS TO FLUORESCENT LIGHTS.
AND THIS IS ALL BEING SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS BY GOVERNMENT.
SO I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO BE PERCEIVED AS FORCING PEOPLE TO DO THIS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO TO MAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR TO KIND OF PHASE THIS IN.
SO IT'S NOT SO DRASTIC AT SOME POINT IN TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY?
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YEAH. COMMISSIONER PETERSON.SO MATT'S MATT'S PRESENTATION WAS JUST REALLY THAT, THAT VERY PRELIMINARY 30,000 FOOT LEVEL APPROACH THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND MOVING FORWARD IN SOME OF THESE DARK SKY COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE THERE, THERE'S A DROP DEAD DATE TO CONVERT ALL OF YOUR LIGHTING OVER TO A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, TO COMPLIANT FIXTURES.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO INCLUDE AS PART OF OUR ORDINANCE.
WE DON'T. NOW, OUR LIGHTING, OUR LIGHTING ORDINANCE CHANGED ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, AND THOSE WHO HAVE HAD THOSE EXISTING FIXTURES AT THE TIME WERE, LIKE MATT SAID, GRANDFATHERED IN.
THAT'S ANOTHER APPROACH THAT WE CAN TAKE.
DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO MEASURE TO THE NEW STANDARDS? WE DO NOT. WE DON'T MEASURE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY EQUIPMENT TO MEASURE LIGHTING OUTPUT.
SO WHAT WE WHAT WE DO ENFORCE AS PART OF OUR ORDINANCE IS LIGHT TRESPASS ON TO OTHER PROPERTIES, LIGHT FACING UP INTO THE SKY, UNSHIELDED FIXTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE.
BUT THE SHIFT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IS, IS, IS ACTUALLY BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT OUTPUT VERSUS WHAT WE REALLY DO NOW IS WE WE WE ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF POWER BEING USED TO CREATE THAT LIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A MEASUREMENT OF POWER, THE POWER CONSUMPTION.
BUT THAT PUTS OUT A LOT MORE LIGHT, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF A SMALL EXAMPLE OF OF REALLY WHAT WE'RE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO AT THIS POINT.
OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT SUBJECT.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED SEPARATELY, NOT AS A PART OF A MORE GENERAL DISCUSSION.
I'D RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE FURTHER STUDY SESSION ON THIS.
LET THEM DEVELOP THE PROPOSAL A BIT MORE.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE INDICATED SO FAR.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME SOME GOOD THOUGHTS AND OPTIONS THERE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
BUT I'D RECOMMEND, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE THIS FURTHER WITH ANOTHER STUDY SESSION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I DO LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION OF ANOTHER STUDY SESSION.
AND IF MATT WOULD MAYBE INVOLVE SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH LIGHTING WOULD BE GREAT.
A 75 WATT BULB EQUALS 1100 LUMENS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, SHOULD I HAVE LAND USE? MR. GRIFFITHS, AND YOUR ADDRESS IS.
ARE USING 75 WATT INCANDESCENT.
YES. SO THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
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MINDFUL OF THE LIGHT POLLUTION THAT IS CREATED FROM OUT OF THIS AREA.BUT IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE CAN HAVE MAJOR INFLUENCES, WHEN WE TELL THE CONSTRUCTION FOLKS THAT THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE DOWN FACING, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE LIGHTING, THAT'S A BIG ONE.
INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW.
I GOT TO KEEP SOMETHING ON THAT.
AND WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMING DOWN AND TELL US WHAT KIND OF LIGHT BULBS WE CAN USE, AND THAT NOT PROVIDING ONE THAT IS REPLACEMENT FOR THE ONE YOU HAVE, AND YOU GOT TO GO OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT.
I CANNOT REPLACE THE BULB BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND ONE.
SO I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THAT POSITION.
WE WANT TO BE IN A POSITION THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE, NOT AGAINST THEM.
SO. AND JUST TO END, I THINK THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION IS A HUGE PART OF THIS AND MAKING THIS EFFECTIVE.
I'M SURE MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE FOUND WAYS THAT THEY CAN SUBDIVIDE, SUB SUBSIDIZE THE PURCHASE OF LIGHTS TO THEN MAKE THEM MORE AFFORDABLE AND AVAILABLE TO TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE THAT THAT PROCESS EASIER.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR YOUR BRIGHT IDEAS.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER COMMENTS WE WOULD STAFF WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT INITIATED IF THAT'S IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE BOARD OKAY.
THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD TIME FOR A BREAK.
MOVING ON, JEREMY, IF YOU WANT TO GET STARTED.
MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.
SO WE'LL TAKE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN HERE.
OPEN SPACE, PARKS, FARM AND RANCH LANDS, PRESERVATION PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MATT HAS SOME EXPERIENCE IN.
HE'S WORKED ON IN THE PAST IN DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
SO THE PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CONSIDERATION AT A FUTURE POINT FOR BUDGETING FUNDS TO RETAIN A QUALIFIED FIRM TO DEVELOP AN OPEN SPACE PARKS, FARM, RANCH LANDS PRESERVATION PLAN.
IT. IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THAT MANY DRAMATIC CHANGES HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE COUNTY OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES TO BOTH THE LANDSCAPE AND LAND USE PATTERNS OF GROWTH THAT CONTINUE TO TO CHANGE IT.
IT CORRECTLY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE COUNTY'S MAIN POPULATION CENTERS ARE BY NO MEANS RURAL ANYMORE.
THEY'VE BECOME URBANIZED, WITH SPRAWLING AND OFTEN UNPLANNED SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT PROCEEDING OUTWARD INTO AREAS THAT WERE ONLY RECENTLY RANCH LANDS AND NATURAL AREAS OF INCOMPARABLE NATURAL BEAUTY.
OVER THE PAST FOUR DECADES, THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTY INCREASED BY MORE THAN 400%, INCLUDING 40% IN THE LAST 20 YEARS AND 12% OVER THE LAST TEN. WHILE MUCH OF THIS GROWTH HAS BEEN POSITIVE, IT MUST ALSO BE MANAGED AS WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND WORK TO ENSURE THAT GROWTH DOESN'T UNDERMINE THE VERY CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAKE THE COUNTY SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN.
THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACKNOWLEDGES THAT CONTINUED GROWTH PRESSURE, PARTICULARLY UNPLANNED RESIDENTIAL SPRAWL WITH WITHIN RURAL AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS IS ULTIMATELY AN UNSUSTAINABLE AND EFFICIENT USE OF AVAILABLE LAND AND FINITE RESOURCES.
THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THAT POORLY PLANNED AND LOCATED DEVELOPMENT CAN EXACERBATE FLOODING, DROUGHT, AND WILDFIRE RISKS AND ULTIMATELY JEOPARDIZE CRITICAL RESOURCES LIKE GROUND AND SURFACE WATER SUPPLIES THAT SUSTAIN US.
POORLY LOCATED GROWTH ALSO PUTS PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY.
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50% OF THE COUNTY IS PROTECTED, WITH THE OTHER HALF BEING EVENLY SPLIT BETWEEN PRIVATE AND AND STATE LANDS, SO THERE IS A LOT OF PROTECTED LAND.BUT GIVEN THE COUNTY'S ENORMOUS SIZE, GEOLOGIC AND ECOLOGICAL DIVERSITY, THERE REMAINS MANY, MANY OUTSTANDING NATURAL AREAS AND SITES THAT ARE INCREASINGLY VULNERABLE TO DEVELOPMENT AND WORTHY OF CONSERVATION.
AS A STATE, LAW PLACES LIMITS ON THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO MANAGE THE FOOTPRINT AND INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT FOR EXAMPLE, HAPHAZARD PARCEL SPLITS, NEW PERMIT EXEMPT WELLS, MINES.
WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT MORE OF RECENTLY LOCATING HOUSES IN SENSITIVE AREAS SUCH AS FLOODPLAINS.
REMEMBER THAT ZONING IS DESTINY.
THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDES AN OPEN SPACE ELEMENT THAT SETS FORTH VARIOUS GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICY STATEMENTS THAT SPEAK TO THE NEED TO PROACTIVELY CONSERVE IMPORTANT NATURAL, SCENIC, RECREATIONAL, AGRICULTURAL, CULTURAL AND HISTORIC RESOURCES WITHIN THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY OPEN SPACE ELEMENT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THAT THE IMPORTANT ROLE THAT THESE RESOURCES PROVIDE FOR THE OVERALL ECONOMY, QUALITY OF LIFE, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, TOURISM, PUBLIC HEALTH, SUSTAINABILITY AND REC AND RECREATION.
AND ALSO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE ENORMOUS, ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT AND COMMENT THAT WAS GENERATED THAT WENT INTO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND THIS OPEN SPACE ELEMENT.
WE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THESE ISSUES, TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE MANY POLICIES LISTED WITHIN THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENT, AS THEY RELATE TO OPEN SPACE RESOURCE PROTECTION AND ENHANCING RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COMPREHENSIVE OPEN SPACE, PARKS, FARM AND RANCH LANDS, PRESERVATION PLAN AND IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY IS NEEDED.
THIS OUTREACH AND INVOLVEMENT WOULD ALSO HELP DETERMINE THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC AND MUNICIPAL SUPPORT, AND RECOMMEND AND RECOMMENDATIONS THEREIN FOR IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN BY ESTABLISHING A COUNTYWIDE OPEN SPACE, PARKS, AND FARM AND RANCH LANDS PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY ESTABLISH A PROGRAM, LIKE MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING ARIZONA, SUCH COUNTIES AS COCONINO, PIMA COUNTY, AND OTHERS.
THIS EFFORT COULD BE MODELED ABOUT MODELED AFTER THE SUCCESSFUL INITIATIVES.
AND IN MANY COUNTIES, AS I JUST MENTIONED, IT COULD INCLUDE ASSESSING PUBLIC AND MUNICIPAL SUPPORT, INCLUDING SURVEYS AND POLLING FOR ESTABLISHING, AT SOME POINT, A VOTER DEDICATED FUND TO TO AUGMENT AND LEVERAGE MUNICIPAL, STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS, AS WELL AS NONPROFIT GRANTS.
OVER 30 FUNDING MEASURES HAVE PASSED IN ARIZONA SUCCESSFULLY SINCE 1998.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE DOING BOTH ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND CERTAINLY HERE SUCCESSFULLY IN ARIZONA, FOR EXAMPLE, IN IN 2002, COCONINO COUNTY APPROVED A SALES TAX OF ONE EIGHTH OF $0.01 FOR A COUNTY PARKS PROGRAM WITH 6,061% VOTER VOTER APPROVAL.
THAT RAISED $33 MILLION THAT CONCLUDED IN 2014.
HOW DO WE MAKE REALLY WISE DECISIONS ABOUT WHERE AND WHEN TO STEP IN, AND HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THE MONEY WITH THE WITH THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL? THERE IS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY LEAVING ON THE TABLE AS A COUNTY THAT MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES AND COUNTIES AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF.
AND IN MANY EXAMPLES, WE WOULD FIND THAT FOR EVERY EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED BY BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IT WAS A $3 RETURN, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES $5.
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TO HAVE A PUBLICLY VETTED AND ADOPTED PROGRAM IN PLACE.DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN WILL BE A COUNTY WIDE EFFORT.
THE PLAN WOULD CREATE A DETAILED INVENTORY AND ANALYSIS OF VARIOUS RESOURCES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER BEEN DONE HERE, FACILITIES, PUBLIC USES AND INPUT THEREIN, AND A RANGE OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND TECHNIQUES FOR SELECTING AND FUNDING WORTHY PROJECTS FOR VOLUNTARY CONSERVATION.
SO I WANT TO STRESS THAT VOLUNTARY WE MAY IDENTIFY A PROPERTY WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT ALLOWED TO TO TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND RECOGNITION OF THAT DESIRE THAT WE MIGHT RECOGNIZE IN THE PLAN.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A LANDOWNER THAT'S INTERESTED IN WILLING AND THE PROJECT IS IS A PRIORITY, AND WE VET IT THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS, THAT'S HOW THESE PROJECTS, THESE TYPES OF PROPERTIES GET PRESERVED.
IT WOULD BE A VOLUNTARY ONLY PROGRAM.
THINK THE EXPANSION OF THE OF THE PEAVINE TRAIL I LIVE IN IN CHINO VALLEY.
THE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THERE BUT BUT TOO MANY SEGMENTS.
BUT CLEARLY THAT IS A VERY POPULAR RESOURCE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
IT WOULD INCLUDE LOOKING AT PARKING AREAS.
THERE'S SUCH A DEMAND FOR PARKING AREAS.
YOU'VE GOT TO GO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THEN CONNECTING THOSE AREAS TO THE TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE AN HOUR.
AND THEN IT WOULD INCLUDE IDENTIFYING AND PRIORITIZING IMPORTANT SITES, SPECIAL FEATURES, SCENIC AREAS WORTHY OF ACQUISITION AS OPEN SPACE AND PARK LAND FROM WILLING SELLERS.
AGAIN, THE PLAN WOULD ESTABLISH AND FORMALIZE THE COUNTY'S ROLE IN SUPPORTING THE PRESERVATION OF PRIVATE FARMS AND RANCH LANDS, AS WELL FROM INTERESTED LANDOWNERS WHO VOLUNTARILY AGREE TO SELL THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ON THEIR LAND THROUGH THE USE OF CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY TAKING PLACE SUCCESSFULLY IN THE COUNTY, IN MANY INSTANCES, IN PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER NONPROFIT GROUPS THAT ARE KNOWN AND TRUSTED ENTITIES THAT ARE SUCCESSFULLY DOING THESE THESE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD INCLUDE CONDUCTING A FEASIBILITY STUDY REPORT AND EXAMINING CONSERVATION FINANCE OPTIONS, INCLUDING PUBLIC OPINION SURVEYS AND RECOMMENDATIONS SECTION.
IT WOULD ENABLE THE COUNTY TO ESTABLISH ELIGIBILITY TO MEET CRITERIA AND ACHIEVE COMPETITIVE RANKING WHEN APPLYING FOR FEDERAL, STATE AND OTHER GRANT FUNDING PROGRAMS. YOU SEE, THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HOW WELL DOES OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COVER OR ADDRESS THESE ISSUES? I DON'T THINK IT DOES IT VERY WELL.
IT KIND OF GIVES US A ROADMAP.
SO IT'S IT'S IT'S HEAVY ON ON GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
THOSE ARE REALLY ONE SENTENCE STATEMENTS.
RIGHT. SO IT'S A LAUNDRY LIST.
AND IT DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO PARTICULAR SITES.
IT'S WE'VE GOT NOTHING LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, IT REALLY DOESN'T GET INTO INTO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL AND CERTAINLY NOT THE STRATEGY.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S OPEN SPACE ELEMENT AND THAT LIST THEREIN, IT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT NOT HOW TO GET THERE, NOT HOW TO PRIORITIZE.
HOW DO WE LOOK AT FUNDING, YOU KNOW, DO WE LOOK AT WHAT TYPES OF MEASURES HAVE HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN THE PAST? DO WE DO THE POLLING TO HELP DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IS THERE A PUBLIC APPETITE FOR FOR FUNDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? WHAT TYPE OF TAX WOULD THAT BE? HOW MUCH WOULD IT SUNSET? THESE ARE ALL THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT WITHOUT THAT, WE'RE REALLY KIND OF JUST DOING WHAT WE TEND TO DO A LOT HERE SOMETIMES IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHICH IS REACTIONARY PLANNING. OH NO.
LOOK AT THIS SITE NEAR THE DELLS.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.
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IT'S TOO IT'S TOO COST PROHIBITIVE.AND AND THE OPPORTUNITY IS LOST.
MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO OWN AND MANAGE IT AND TAKE ON THAT COST, BUT MAYBE WE WANT TO ALLOW THAT FAMILY THAT HAS THAT THAT RANCHING LEGACY, WHICH IS REALLY THE CULTURAL LEGACY OF OF THE COUNTY TO CONTINUE CONSERVATION AND CONSERVATION FINANCE CAN ACTUALLY LEVERAGE THE ABILITY FOR FOR THOSE TYPES OF FAMILIES WHO WANT TO STAY ON THE LAND AND LEAVE THAT LEGACY TO REMAIN THERE.
WELL, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS SUFFICIENT TO DO THAT, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEING REVIEWED ANNUALLY AT A MINIMUM.
SO I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN BE BUILT INTO THE PLAN.
SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE TO IMPROVE THAT PLAN.
WE HAVE THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN UP IN THE BIG CHINO AREA RIGHT NOW, AND SOME OF THE WELL KNOWN OLD FAMILY RANCHES, SHALL WE SAY, UP IN THAT AREA, AS WELL AS WE ALSO HAVE JUST LAST BOARD MEETING, WE APPROVED THE FUNDING FOR THE WINDMILL PARK AREA OVER THERE AND AND WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE FEDERAL LANDS THAT WE MAY END UP BUYING IN THE FUTURE, WHERE THEY BUY FROM US, ONE OF THE TWO, BUT IT'S ALONG THE VERDE CORRIDOR.
AND WE'VE ON THIS COMING WEDNESDAY, WE'LL BE DOING A PRESENTATION IN REGARDS TO THE DEL RIO SPRINGS RANCH AND PROPERTIES THAT RUNS FROM SULLIVAN LAKE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE.
CHINO VALLEY CITY LIMITS, TOWN LIMITS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF BECAUSE WE DON'T GET A LOT OF PRESS ON IT, BUT ALSO SOMETIMES IT'S NOT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THAT GETS THE HEADS UP ON IT.
FACILITIES IN THIS COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT MAINTAINS OUR PARKS, OUR PARKS.
SO MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
SO IT'S BE SOMETHING TO THINK THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IN REGARDS TO SHARING SOME RESPONSIBILITY, SO THAT YOU'RE ON BOARD IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ALONG WITH WHAT'S BEING DONE IN FACILITIES AND OR BY INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS.
IT'S LIKE I'VE GOT A TRAILHEAD GOING IN ON PIONEER PARKWAY.
ARE YOU AWARE OF IT? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE PARTNERING WITH PRESCOTT, PRESCOTT CITY.
THEY'RE PICKING UP SEVERAL AMOUNT OF THE COST.
AND THEY ARE ALSO A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
SO IT'S ANOTHER FEDERAL AGENCY.
THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WE'RE DOING THAT.
BEFORE MR. BURDON LEFT, WE BOUGHT INTO THE PARK OVER THERE IN PRESCOTT VALLEY.
THERE'S TWO CITIES IN THE COUNTY PARTNERING ON THAT JOINT EFFORT, SHALL WE SAY.
SO A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF THAT'S GOING ON.
I KNOW HARRY'S GOT SOME THOUGHTS IN REGARDS TO THINGS GOING IN HIS NECK OF THE WOODS.
SO AND NOT ONLY THE PRESCOTT PRESCOTT VALLEY PROJECT.
WE'RE INVESTING IN THAT PROJECT TOO.
MATT, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS AREA.
AND I THINK OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES A GOOD JOB OF RECOGNIZING OUR INTENT AND OUR INTEREST.
BUT I AGREE THAT IT'S IN NO WAY CODIFIED TO ACTUALLY SEE SOME OF THE GOOD WORK THROUGH.
AND AS AN EXAMPLE, CHAIRMAN, PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIRMAN STEWART AND I SEVERAL WEEKS AGO ATTENDED THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND DEDICATION OF THE ORME RANCH CONSERVATION THAT'S WAS LED BY CENTRAL ARIZONA LAND TRUST.
AND WE WE SEE AS SUPERVISOR BROWN MENTIONED THESE.
VERY LARGE TRACTS OF LAND AND FAMILIES THAT HAVE OWNED THE LAND FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
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BUT AND WE'RE SEEING THAT WORK IN THE VERDE VALLEY AS WELL, WITH OUTSIDE FUNDING SOURCES SUCH AS THE NINA PULLIAM TRUST THAT'S RECENTLY HELPED WRAP AROUND FARM PRESERVATION FOR A COUPLE VERY LARGE PARCELS IN CAMP VERDE, THE PARK, CENTRAL FARMS AND THE SHIELD RANCH OR SHILL FAMILY PROJECT. BUT WHERE WE REALLY HAVE A GAP IS FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER PARCELS THAT ARE VERY SENSITIVE OR FAMILIES THAT ARE NOT. THEY HAVE THE WILL, BUT NOT THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO ENDOW A PROJECT THROUGH PERPETUITY, WHICH IS WHAT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT DOES.BUT I THINK THAT CHAIRMAN STEWART REALLY GOT TO SEE THAT WORK AT AT A LEVEL.
WE MET IN THE NEW FEDERAL BUILDING WHERE THE ABOVE THE OLD POST OFFICE, AND THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE THERE FROM SUCH A BROAD CROSS-SECTION OF THE COUNTY.
TO CELEBRATE THE WORK DONE AT THE ORME RANCH AND OTHER PROJECTS UNDERWAY.
SO. I USED TO LIVE IN SEATTLE AND THEY.
SEATTLE IS HIGHLY DEVELOPED WITH A LOT OF FARMLAND AROUND IT, AND THEY REALLY WANTED TO SAVE THE FARMLAND, AND THEY DEVELOPED A WHOLE PROCESS TO SELL THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
AND THEN ALLOW THE FARMS TO CONTINUE.
AND IT'S BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
AND I KNOW ON MY SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN, THE RANCHERS HAVE BEEN OFFERED INORDINATE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
FOR THERE TO TO BUY THEIR LAND AND TAKE THEM OUT OF RANCHING AND TAKE THE 80 ACRES OF THE 100 ACRES AND DO WHAT NONE OF US REALLY WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN FOR AN INHOLDING SITTING OUT OFF OF 505.
AND IF WE HAD A SIMPLE WAY FOR THEM TO SELL THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, WHICH WOULD THEN ENABLE THEIR THIRD GENERATION RANCH TO CONTINUE, THEY WOULD THEY WOULD BE ALL OVER THAT.
SO. THIS IS THE KIND OF WORK THAT WE AS A COUNTY CAN DO, COMPLETELY SUPPORT WHAT LINDA SAYS AND WHAT I KNOW RENEE WOULD SAY, WHICH IS LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS IN A GREAT WAY.
AND LET'S REALLY FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE.
WE ALL WANT OUR COUNTY TO STAY.
HAVE APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE GREAT OPEN SPACE.
AND THIS IS A WAY FOR US TO REALLY BEGIN TO TAKE THAT ON.
ANY FURTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME DIRECTION TO TAKE BACK.
THANK YOU SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HERE.
SOLAR FACILITIES, DECOMMISSIONING AND RECLAMATION PLAN.
THIS ONE ORIGINATED FROM SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT CAME FROM THE BOARD.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR FACILITIES IN THE COUNTY YET, ALTHOUGH WE'VE HAD PROPOSALS AND AND SOME INTEREST FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO, WHAT THIS PROPOSES IS TO CREATE A DECOMMISSIONING AND RECLAMATION PLAN.
SO WHAT HAPPENS? WE SEE THOSE LARGE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR FACILITIES RIGHT OVER AS WE HEAD DOWN TO, TO SAN DIEGO THERE ON ON WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS IT? I-8 THERE, AND THERE'S JUST THIS MASSIVE AREA OF SOLAR FACILITIES WHICH IS GENERATING, YOU KNOW, UTILITY SCALE POWER.
THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, SOLAR FACILITIES.
SO THIS PROPOSAL SPEAKS ONLY TO THE LARGE SCALE TYPES OF UTILITY SCALE SOLAR FACILITIES, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THEM HERE, THEY HAVE INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE YEARS NATIONWIDE.
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YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT HAVE BEEN TOUTED INCLUDE IMPROVED TECHNOLOGY, CHEAPER EQUIPMENT PRICES, AVAILABILITY OF RURAL AREAS.THAT MAKES THAT IDEAL FOR SOME OF THOSE AREAS.
THE SUPERVISOR. BROWN DID YOU HAVE A DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YES, A COMMENT WAS.
ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, I'M PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THEM.
I DON'T LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A WAY TO DECOMMISSION THEM.
THEY SAY THEY DO, AND THEN THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS AND LEAVE YOU STUCK WITH WHAT'S LEFT OVER.
IT'S VERY OBVIOUS IN HAWAII AND DIFFERENT PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST BEEN ABANDONED.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I DID.
SO IS THERE IS THERE A WAY TO PUT A BOND FOR RECLAMATION BEFORE THEY EVEN START THE PROJECT WHERE THEY PUT THE MONEY ASIDE IF THEY GO. BANKRUPT OR SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT HAPPENS WHERE WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEANED UP, BROUGHT BACK TO ITS NATURAL STATE.
IN FACT, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT OUR DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE.
SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THESE? YOU KNOW, THE ADVANTAGES HERE OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES ARE TOUTED AS, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION OF LOCAL JOBS, PRODUCTION OF CLEAN ENERGY AND TAX REVENUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I ALSO LIKE TO SEE THIS INCLUDE ELECTRIC CARS.
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE DAMN BATTERIES.
WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. THANK YOU.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THESE WHEN THESE DO GO OUT OF COMMISSION.
THE DISADVANTAGES OF THESE FACILITIES THEY LAST ONLY 25 TO 30 YEARS.
THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT TO TO REMOVE OVER A LARGE AREA.
SO THE CHALLENGE HERE IS FOLLOWING THE RETIREMENT OF THOSE SOLAR FIELDS, THEY MUST BE DECOMMISSIONED, DECONSTRUCTED IN A SAFE AND RESPONSIBLE WAY THAT RESTORES THE LAND BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION.
SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DO WE GET THAT FROM FROM THESE COMPANIES? IF THEY ARE ALLOWED IN THE COUNTY, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE GET THAT COMMITMENT FROM THESE COMPANIES? AND SO WE COMPARED SEVERAL SEVERAL DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
AND SO AND ACTUALLY SEVERAL OF THEM, SEVERAL OF THE COUNTIES HERE IN ARIZONA AS WELL, NOT A LOT OF COUNTIES HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THESE.
THESE ARE THE COUNTIES THAT DO.
AND THIS ACTUALLY, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COUNTY MANAGER THOMPSON ABOUT HIS JURISDICTION, HIS FORMER JURISDICTION IN JOHNSON COUNTY, KANSAS, AND THAT THAT GAVE US A GOOD BASIS TO TO REALLY START TO TO FLESH OUT SOME KIND OF A, SOME KIND OF A PROPOSAL HERE, A PROPOSED ORDINANCE. AND HIS COUNTY WAS HIS RECLAMATION PLAN AND DECOMMISSIONING PLAN FROM JOHNSON COUNTY IS IS WOVEN INTO A MUCH, MUCH LARGER DOCUMENT THAT DISCUSSES SOLAR FIELDS IN A GREAT, MUCH MORE GREAT DETAIL.
SO I JUST KIND OF DISTILLED DOWN SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THESE PICTURES HERE ARE STOCK PHOTOS.
THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANYTHING IN IN YAVAPAI COUNTY HERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME COMMON REQUIREMENTS IN THESE DECOMMISSIONING AND RECLAMATION PLANS INCLUDES REQUIRING THE SOLAR FIELD TO NOTIFY THE COUNTY IN ADVANCE OF THEIR INTENTION TO DECOMMISSION THE FACILITY, REQUIRE THE SOLAR FACILITY TO SUBMIT A DECOMMISSIONING AND RECLAMATION PLAN, INCLUDING TIMELINES FOR COMPLETION, WHICH COULD BE APPROVED EITHER BY THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OR APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
DECOMMISSIONING. RECLAMATION TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THAT DECOMMISSIONING NOTICE, DISPOSAL AND RECYCLING OF SUCH MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT SHALL FULLY COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE COUNTY, STATE, FEDERAL LAWS, REGULATIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES A COUNTY APPROVED DEMOLITION PERMIT TO A LICENSED CONTRACTOR AT AN APPROVED LOCATION.
SO THEY CAN'T JUST TAKE THESE THINGS AND DUMP THEM SOMEPLACE ELSE.
OTHER COMMON REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE NOTICED IN OUR IN OUR RESEARCH HERE, AND ALSO FROM THE JOHNSON COUNTY DOCUMENT, GUARANTEED FUNDS SET ASIDE THROUGH FINANCIAL SURETY IN THE AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE ESTIMATED COST, SO TO SPEAK.
TO YOUR POINT, CHERRY GREGORY EXACTLY, EXACTLY THAT REQUIRING THAT MONEY TO BE SET ASIDE SO THAT IF THEY IF THEY DO GO, IF THEY DO BECOME BANKRUPT OR DEFUNCT IN SOME WAY, THAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE TO, TO CLEAN THAT FACILITY UP.
THE LAND DISTURBED AS PART OF THE DECOMMISSIONING PROCESS SHALL BE RESEEDED OR REVEGETATED, AND WE ENCOURAGE RECYCLING OR REPURPOSING OF THE OLD EQUIPMENT RATHER THAN DISPOSAL IN THE LANDFILLS.
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SO THESE ARE JUST A KIND OF A LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION RIGHT AT THAT JUNCTURE.IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE COUNTY CAN BASICALLY ENFORCE THIS ON THE TOWNS AND CITIES? NO SUPERVISOR BROWN THE THE CITIES AND THE TOWNS.
VENTURES, BASICALLY, AND MAKE SURE THEY GET ANNEXED INTO THE CITY FIRST BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE COUNTY AND NOT IN ALL CASES BECAUSE LIKE JIM'S GOT A BIG 1ST MAY GO IN DOWN IN COURTICE, BUT I'VE GOT A GUY THAT'S TALKING ABOUT WIND TURBINES FOR THE SECOND TIME UP IN UP IN NEAR SELIGMAN. AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE SOME WAY TO BE ABLE TO SECURE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE RECLAMATION, HAVE TO HAVE A BOND PLACE, IF NOTHING ELSE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY WHEN EVER THE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT IS REACHED, WHICH 10 TO 20 YEARS USUALLY THAT WE DON'T GET STUCK HOLDING THE FILTHY BAG.
YEAH. AND STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO PUT UP THEIR SOLAR.
WHAT DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? ANYTHING AT ALL THAT SAYS YOU NEED TO CLEAN IT UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT ALL? WHAT WE WOULD DO RIGHT NOW, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEONE CAME FORWARD WITH A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THEIR USE PERMIT, WE WOULD WRITE THAT IN AS A STIPULATION OR STIPULATIONS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A, SOME KIND OF A FINANCIAL SURETY.
SO WE WOULD WRITE THOSE SPECIFICALLY INTO THOSE USE PERMITS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY REAL STRUCTURED STEP BY STEP PROCESS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE UNIVERSAL TO ALL OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD DO.
WE WOULD WRITE THIS INTO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AS AS A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OF THOSE MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO BE OVER HERE SUPPORTING.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO PUT THE AREA BACK THE WAY YOU FOUND IT AND CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESS.
EXACTLY. COMMUNITIES BY CHERYL BURKE.
MAYBE PEOPLE HERE KNOW AND MAYBE THEY DON'T.
I WAS A LEGISLATIVE REP FOR OUR COUNTY TO THE CSA, AND THERE WAS A LEGISLATIVE BILL PUT IN THIS LAST YEAR ADDRESSING THIS AT THE STATE LEVEL.
I THINK IT GAVE PRETTY GOOD DEFINITIVE GUIDANCE TO THE COUNTIES ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
OF COURSE, IT WAS VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR.
SO I DON'T THINK SHORT TERM YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ANYTHING CHANGE.
I THINK ANYTHING COMING FROM THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE COUNTY LEVEL TO START TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS THE BOND VALUE.
THEY FELT THAT PROBABLY EVERY THREE YEARS YOU HAD TO REEVALUATE THAT BOND, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS REALLY SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE COST OF DECOMMISSIONING, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS OUT THERE.
RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO ONE UTILITY THAT SAID, I SAID, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR SOLAR PANELS? THEY SAID, WE'RE BURYING THEM IN CONCRETE BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T CONTAMINATE THE WATER SOURCE, THEY'RE DOING THAT FOR A DOLLAR A, YOU KNOW, A POUND OR.
YOU KNOW, PANEL OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A COMPANY IN YUMA THAT WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS UTILITY SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO PAY 30 WHEN I CAN PAY A DOLLAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
YOU KNOW WHAT, TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE.
THANK YOU. AND I WOULD SAY GET THIS DONE.
PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THINGS THAT ARE COMING OUR WAY.
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AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THESE THINGS IN PLACE PRIOR TO THAT.SO IF WE CAN MAKE THIS A DEFINITE PRIORITY FOR US OKAY.
JUST MOVING FORWARD HERE WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ALSO.
THIS IS JUST A LITTLE SNAPSHOT OF WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE REQUIRING.
SO VERY MINIMAL REQUIREMENT THERE.
PIMA COUNTY HAS A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THERE.
CORRECT. THEY'RE STUCK WITH IT.
THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT.
MOJAVE COUNTY HAS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN TERMS OF DETAIL HERE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS IS KIND OF THE MODEL I'M LEANING TOWARDS IN TERMS OF CREATING A PROPOSED STRUCTURE FOR OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT MUCH MORE OF THE MUCH MORE OF THE DETAILS.
I THINK THAT'S FROM WHAT I'M HEARING HERE TODAY.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT AN IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR THESE THINGS.
THAT'S KIND OF THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, BUT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME SUPPORT FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD AND.
WITH YOUR WITH YOUR DIRECTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. THAT WILL WE'LL CONSIDER THAT MATTER INITIATED AS WELL AND BRING BACK TO THE BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION A PLAN.
OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THAT? THANK YOU. CHAIR.
YES, SIR. UM, SUPERVISOR OBERG, I THINK YOU SPIED MY NOTES FROM OVER THERE.
YOU LASERED IN BECAUSE I HAD BOND VALUE WRITTEN DOWN.
THAT'S SO CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSION.
MR. DYE WAS SOME BONDING COMPANIES THAT I WILL BE HAPPY TO CONNECT YOU WITH.
SO YOU JUST CAN'T PUT A BOND IN PLACE AND THEN FORGET IT.
UNLESS WE ASK FOR A GAZILLION DOLLAR CASH BOND.
AND THE TAXPAYER IS ON THE ON THE HOOK FOR IT.
SO THAT WAS A BIG NEVADA FIRM.
AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE SMALLER UNITS COME IN.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT AS WE START LOOKING AT THIS IS WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST THE TAXPAYER WHEN THEY SELL THIS POWER TO THE ELECTRIC COMPANY? THE END CONSUMER IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THE COUNTY TAXPAYER.
THAT'S RIGHT. DO WE WANT A BUNCH OF JUNK CARS EVERYWHERE OR CONEX CONTAINERS AND EVERYBODY'S BACKYARD? I DON'T KNOW, A BUNCH OF THINGS SWIRLING IN THE AIR.
I KNOW I WENT TO AMARILLO, TEXAS HERE, AND I WAS ABSOLUTELY SURPRISED AT THE AMOUNT OF TURBINES THAT IS SWIRLING OUTSIDE OF THAT CITY. I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.
SO AGAIN, I ECHO, AS SANDY SAID, WE NEED TO HAVE A BOND THAT WILL COVER THAT AS WE TALK TO THE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS WANTING TO PUT IN A SOLAR FARM, WE TALKED ABOUT HE HAD MONEY SUPPOSEDLY SET ASIDE, BUT THAT MONEY SET ASIDE.
IF HE GOES INTO CHAPTER 11, HE'S GOING TO BE SPENDING THAT TRYING TO KEEP AFLOAT.
IT'S GOT TO HAVE TO BE A BOND OF SOME TYPE TO PROTECT US.
THANK YOU FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
APPRECIATE THAT. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE HERE.
PRIVATE FAMILY, CEMETERY ORDINANCE AND SENIOR PLANNER BECCA IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS WITH US.
YES. OH, I JUST WANT TO BECAUSE EARLIER IT WAS NINE AND YOU SAID EIGHT.
I BELIEVE YOU ARE CORRECT HERE.
PRIVATE FAMILY CEMETERY ORDINANCE.
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ITEM NUMBER TEN HERE.SENIOR PLANNER BECCA IS GOING TO COVER THAT FOR US.
AND JUST TO PREFACE THIS A LITTLE BIT, AS YOU'LL RECALL, BECCA WILL GET INTO SOME MORE DETAIL.
JUST JUST SOME REVIEW BY THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSION.
THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY ANYTHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO INITIATE ANY KIND OF A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, BUT WE DID WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD AND COMMISSION AT THIS POINT. WHEN YOU PROBABLY NEED THIS.
CHAIR. GREGORY. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AGAIN.
BECCA CIRACAS, PLANNER WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, PER THE AHS.
ORGANIZATIONS AND REGULATION OF CEMETERIES WHERE BURIALS OR INTERMENTS OF HUMAN REMAINS ARE MADE IN WHICH SALES OR TRANSFERS OF INTERMENT RIGHTS OR BURIAL PLOTS ARE NOT MADE TO THE PUBLIC, AND IN WHICH NOT MORE THAN TEN INTERMENTS OR BURIALS OCCUR ANNUALLY.
SO BASICALLY THERE'S NO MONEY TRANSFER OF MONEY.
A PRIVATE FAMILY CEMETERY IS ON FOR FAMILY MEMBERS OR NO, NO MONEY IS TRANSFERRED.
THAT'S WHAT THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES SAY.
ALSO, THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES DO NOT REQUIRE COUNTIES TO PROCESS A PERMIT APPLICATION FOR PRIVATE CEMETERIES, LEAVING THE CHOICE TO REQUIRE AN APPLICATION UP TO THE LOCAL JURISDICTION.
THE STATE DOES REQUIRE THAT THE LOCATION OF A CEMETERY BE FILED WITH THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE IN ORDER FOR A BURIAL PERMIT TO BE ISSUED, UNLESS THE CEMETERY IS LOCATED ON FEDERAL OR TRIBAL LAND.
WHEN LOOKING AT OTHER COUNTIES.
OTHERS REQUIRE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WITH OR WITHOUT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND OTHERS DO NOT REQUIRE AN APPLICATION AT ALL AND JUST LEAVE IT UP TO THE RECORDING WITH THE RECORDER'S OFFICE.
YAVAPAI COUNTY DOES REQUIRE AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WITH PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND.
WHAT WE DO IS PART OF OUR APPLICATION.
WE DO REQUIRE THAT SURVEY THAT SHOWS THE PERPETUAL EASEMENT TO GET TO THE CEMETERY PLOT.
IN SUMMARY, STAFF SUPPORTS HOW OUR FAMILY CEMETERY ORDINANCE IS TODAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROCESS? YES. GO ON.
WHAT'S THE SIZE REQUIREMENT OF THE PARCELS LIMITING SIZE REQUIREMENTS? THERE IS NOT A MINIMUM PARCEL SIZE.
IN THE STATE STATUTE, SAY ONE ACRE OR MORE.
THANK YOU. BEEN. HAS THERE BEEN COMPLAINTS? SO IN THE WE DON'T PROCESS A LOT OF PRIVATE FAMILY CEMETERIES, BUT WHEN WE DO EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'LL GET A CALL OR FROM A CONCERNED NEIGHBOR, BECAUSE WE DO POST THE PROPERTY WITH A SIGN SO THAT THE NEIGHBORS KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT WHEN WE EXPLAIN THAT IT'S JUST FOR A PRIVATE FAMILY MEMBER, THEY WITHDRAW THEIR CONCERN.
OKAY. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERN.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS A LIMITING SIZE.
I REMEMBER DEALING WITH THIS SEVERAL TIMES, SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S REALLY ANY COMPLAINTS.
THAT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST MY OPINION.
ORIGINALLY, WE DID NOT HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN THE COUNTY AND BACK IN 2013 OR 14, WHICHEVER IT WAS, WE SAID WE NEED TO HAVE ONE BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE TURNED AROUND, CONTRACTOR WAS GRADING AND CAME AND BOUGHT.
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RANCH FAMILY BEING THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.SO WE CAME UP WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAD TO TAKE PLACE.
AND IT SERVED US WELL FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD INCIDENCES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME OUT AND ACTUALLY USE BURIAL PLOTS ON EXISTING RANCHES AND PLACES LIKE THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY CAN'T GET, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IS LOCATING IT, SPECIFICALLY REGISTERING IT WITH THE RECORDER'S OFFICE.
AND ALSO THEY HAVE TO PUT UP A FENCE THAT WAY.
THAT FENCE HAS TO BE MAINTAINED.
AND WE KNOW WHAT IT IS WHEN WE COME UPON IT.
AND SAME THING GOES FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD DEVELOP THE LAND.
SO ONE THING WE RAN INTO HERE RECENTLY WAS THOUGH, WE HAD A COMPLAINT FROM A FAMILY GROUP THAT WANTED TO HAVE A CHILD BURIED UPON THEIR PROPERTY AND WASN'T THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT THE 21 DAYS.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, CAN'T DO IT UNTIL A DEATH CERTIFICATE HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE CORONER'S OFFICE.
AND IF I MISSTATE SOMETHING, JUMP IN.
SO ANYWAY, SO THE CORONER'S OFFICE HAD TO COMPLETE THE DEATH CERTIFICATE, AND THEN IT HAS TO GO TO.
IT HAS TO BE REGISTERED WITH A FUNERAL HOME, I BELIEVE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THEY CAN RELEASE THE BODY TO BE INTERRED AT THAT LOCATION.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF PAPERWORK OVER THE COURSE OF THREE WEEKS.
BUT OUR PROCESS, UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE GOVERNMENT.
LOCATING IT AND SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE FENCE UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW, I AGREE WITH BECCA.
THAT'S IT. I WISH WE COULD BE OTHER, BUT IT ISN'T SO.
IS THERE A REASON THERE'S 21 DAY WAITING PERIOD ON THAT? I WASN'T AROUND WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS CHANGED, BUT MY MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WITH COMMENT PERIOD APPLICATION, WHICH IS USED FOR OTHER APPLICATIONS SUCH AS SECONDARY MEDICAL DWELLINGS OR I MIGHT HAVE MISSPOKE THERE, BUT THERE'S OTHER APPLICATIONS USED.
THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WITH COMMENT PERIODS.
THAT APPLICATION HAS A STANDARD 21 DAY.
I CAN SEE WHERE THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO BURY A LOVED ONE IN YOUR PROPERTY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN JUMP IN TO THAT.
AS BECCA SAID, THAT 21 DAYS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE FOR IT IS TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.
RIGHT. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM FROM ALL OF THE AFFECTED PUBLIC AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE IN THERE IN SUPPORT OF THAT OR IN OPPOSITION TO THAT, OR IF THEY HAVE CONCERNS THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED DURING THAT PROCESS.
IF WE WERE TO GO TO A HIGHER LEVEL PUBLIC PROCESS, LIKE A USE PERMIT, LIKE SOME OF SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES DO, AS YOU KNOW, THE THE MINIMUM FOR A USE PERMIT IS, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO 5 TO 6 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, TO BE APPROVED.
SO THE 21 DAY PROCESS IS EFFECTIVE FOR US, EFFECTIVE FOR, FOR NOTIFYING THE NOTIFYING THE NEIGHBORS, NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC, GIVING THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN AS WELL.
OKAY. I ALSO HAVE TO GIVE THE TIME FOR THE CORONER TO COMPLETE THE AUTOPSY IF NECESSARY.
THAT'S CORRECT SIR. COMMISSIONER.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE SETBACKS REQUIRED AS THEY WOULD FOR AN ABOVE GROUND STRUCTURE? YES, YES THEY ARE.
THE PRIMARY BUILDING SETBACKS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IMPOSED FOR THE CEMETERY PLOT.
GRID, SQUARE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND SEND IT TO THE RECORDER'S OFFICE.
SOMETHING I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS THIS PER BURIAL OR IS THIS WHERE FOR ESTABLISHING A FAMILY CEMETERY? I MEAN, IS IT EVERY TIME SOMEBODY PASSES AWAY, YOU HAVE A 21 DAY WAITING PERIOD BEFORE YOU CAN ENTER THEM? OR IS IT JUST ESTABLISHING THE FAMILY BURIAL PLOT? YOU ARE ESTABLISHING THE FAMILY BURIAL PLOT.
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SO IT'S A ONE TIME ISSUE AFTER THAT, GOD FORBID.BUT OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS PASS AWAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT 21 DAY WAIT THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERGO TO ENTER THEM.
THANK YOU. EVERYBODY IN CONSENSUS.
I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THIS.
WHO MAINTAINS THE RECORDS OF THE CEMETERIES LOCATED IN YAVAPAI COUNTY? DON'T SPEAK ALL AT ONCE.
IT'S BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS A PROBLEM.
AS APPARENTLY A YEARS GONE BY, WE HAD PEOPLE THAT RAN FUNERAL HOMES AND OWNED PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD ENTER.
PEOPLE WAS ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THEN THEY WOULD TAKE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY.
SOMETIMES A TOWN, SOMETIMES A COUNTY, SOMETIMES SOME OTHER PERSON TO MAINTAIN IT FOR THAT GOES.
AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING THAT'S COHESIVE ON A SOLID RECORDING OF WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE BURIED, NOR WHERE THE PERSON THEMSELVES IS ACTUALLY LOCATED IN THAT CEMETERY.
AND WE RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM WITH THE CITY OF PRESCOTT.
AND WITH US AS FAR AS OUR COUNTY CEMETERIES THAT WE ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN AND OTHERS THAT ARE PRIVATE CEMETERIES.
SOMEBODY'S GOT TO KEEP TRACK OF WHO'S KEEPING TRACK OF EVERYBODY ELSE LEFT.
WE HAVE A CITIZEN CEMETERY ON ON SHELDON.
THAT'S A COUNTY CEMETERY, NOT A CITY CEMETERY, A COUNTY CEMETERY, BUT THE ONE AT THE AIRPORT WENT DOWN THERE BY THE AIRPORT, WHERE THE ROAD RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT, THAT IS A CITY CEMETERY, BUT WAS ORIGINALLY OWNED BY A FAMILY FUNERAL HOME.
AND I DO BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE RECORDER.
JUST MY THOUGHTS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
CONSIDER THAT DIRECTION TO BE NO ACTION TO TAKE.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER THIS IS ANOTHER MINOR.
JUST JUST A SECOND. CAN WE TAKE A BREAK.
TAKE TEN. IF YOU GIVE HIM FIVE.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH AGENDA ITEM 11.
AND. AND MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS ANOTHER CASE WHERE YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE SAVING THE BEST FOR LAST.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE AT THE END HERE.
SO I'LL LET SUSAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THOSE.
TALK ABOUT THAT JUSTIFICATION.
THANK YOU AND GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
I GUESS WE CAN JUST START WITH THE ACTUAL DEFINITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
THE DEFINITION FOR BUILDING ATTACHED IS A BUILDING WHICH HAS AT LEAST PART OF A WALL IN COMMON WITH ANOTHER BUILDING, OR WHICH IS CONNECTED TO ANOTHER BUILDING BY A ROOF THAT EXCEEDS SIX FEET WIDE BETWEEN OPPOSITE OPEN ENDS.
THE DEFINITION FOR THE DETACHED STRUCTURE, A BUILDING WHICH IS SEPARATED FROM ANOTHER BUILDINGS OR BUILDINGS ON THE SAME LOT, AND BUILDINGS CONNECTED ONLY WITH THE ROOF NOT MORE THAN SIX FEET WIDE BETWEEN OPPOSITE OPEN ENDS SHALL BE DEEMED DETACHED.
AND IF YOU'VE NOTICED THOSE PICTURES, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THE SAME.
WHAT IS CONSIDERED ATTACHED OR DETACHED? I THINK REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ONE SAYS THERE IS THREE FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
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SO WE DO WANT TO UPDATE THOSE.THE DISTINCTIONS JUST AREN'T CLEAR ENOUGH.
THE ILLUSTRATIONS ARE A LITTLE CONFUSING, AND THERE IS ALSO NO DEFINITION OF BREEZEWAY, A BREEZEWAY IN OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT WE USE TO DESCRIBE THAT CONNECTION, THAT ROOF CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR IT BEING A NEED TO HAVE IT BE SIX FEET WIDE AND AT LEAST THREE FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY STATED IN THE DEFINITIONS EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN ALSO BUILDING SEPARATION.
AT THIS TIME OUR BUILDING SAFETY UNIT IS ALSO TALKING ABOUT MAYBE MAKING SOME CHANGES TO HOW THEY WORD THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING SEPARATION. CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE IN OUR ORDINANCE, THE ONLY PLACE THAT'S REALLY MENTIONED IS IN THE SETBACK CHART, WHERE IT DESCRIBES THE REQUIRED MINIMUM SEPARATION BETWEEN BUILDINGS AS THREE FEET.
IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY WHAT THOSE THREE FEET ARE BETWEEN.
BUILDING SAFETY IS THINKING ABOUT REQUIRING FIVE FEET EAVE TO EAVE.
CURRENTLY THEY DO HAVE A FIVE FOOT REQUIREMENT BETWEEN WALLS.
AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THREE FEET BETWEEN ROOF EAVES.
SO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CUT OUT THAT MIDDLE DEFINITION OF THE THREE FEET AND JUST KEEP IT AT FIVE FEET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CLOSEST PARTS OF THE STRUCTURES. SO.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO UPDATE THE ILLUSTRATIONS.
YOU'VE GOT THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND THEN WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT BREEZEWAY CONNECTION IS A SOLID, CONTINUOUS ROOF SURFACE.
SO ONE, I THINK, BOLTED A PIECE OF PLEXIGLAS IN THAT SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.
HAVING THAT BREEZEWAY OPENING AND HOW THAT CONTINUOUS SOLID ROOF CONNECTION WORKS OUT.
SO ADDING THAT BREEZEWAY DEFINITION, UPDATING THE ATTACHED AND DETACHED BUILDING DEFINITIONS, AND ALSO UPDATING THE BUILDING SEPARATION THINGS THAT WE'D WANT TO KNOW ABOUT.
WOULD THERE BE A NEED TO ADDRESS THE MINIMUM SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS? SHOULD WE REQUIRE A MINIMUM SPACE OR SAY THAT THERE IS A MAXIMUM SPACE? HOW LONG CAN THAT BREEZEWAY BE? I THINK IN ONE SITUATION, THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO HAD THEIR MAIN STRUCTURE AND HAD A BREEZEWAY EXTENDING, YOU KNOW, EVEN UP TO 50FT ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO CONNECT THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, HOW HOW FAR DO WE WANT TO GO TO SAY THAT THAT'S AN ATTACHED BUILDING? SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION.
I FEEL THAT THIS IS AN ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND HANDLED BY DEVELOPMENT BUILDING SAFETY.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DO AND THEY WE NEED TO START WITH THEM FOR THEIR IDEAS, OPINIONS, SEPARATIONS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S FOR US TO DISCUSS UNTIL IT GOES.
IT'S VETTED THROUGH THEM FIRST.
SO AT THIS TIME WE ARE TALKING WITH BUILDING SAFETY.
AND THEN FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING SIDE OF THINGS, WE'LL HAVE A NEED TO DESCRIBE ATTACHED AND DETACHED BUILDINGS FOR THINGS LIKE A GUEST HOME TO BE ATTACHED OR DETACHED, WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR ONE PERMIT OR TWO PERMITS.
JUST THOSE KINDS OF THINGS GO HAND IN HAND WITH WHAT BUILDING SAFETY WOULD HAVE.
I AGREE, BUT IT REALLY STARTS WITH THEM, AND THIS IS TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS FOR ME TO EVEN.
AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS TO MOVE FORWARD TO.
EXACTLY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE? SUPERVISOR BROWN.
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THOSE TWO PILLARS THAT.HOLDING UP THE CENTER OF THAT ROPE.
AREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CROSS MEMBER? SO FOR WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE REQUIRED STRUCTURALLY, THAT WOULD.
OH, THE ACTUAL PHOTO IN THERE SUPPOSED TO BE A SUPPORT BEAM BETWEEN THERE AND THE ROOF FROM THE ONE THAT'S HORIZONTAL? WELL, AT LEAST IT'S STANDING RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE THE BEST SPECIFICATIONS FOR THAT WOULD BE.
OKAY. RECOMMENDATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONERS, JUST.
SAVING THE EASY STUFF FOR LAST.
AND THIS IS CERTAINLY JUST THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING OF A LARGER, MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION.
BUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS FIRST ADOPTED IN 1968.
AND SO 55 YEARS AGO, OUR ORDINANCE HAS BEEN UPDATED AND RE UPDATED, AND VARIOUS CHANGES WERE ADDED HERE, THERE AND ELSEWHERE. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS KIND OF A KIND OF A PATCHWORK, YOU KNOW, 55 YEARS LATER OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH WHICH WORKS, WHICH WORKS FOR US NOW, BUT LOOKING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING, SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES WITH OTHER POPULATIONS MOVING IN TO YAVAPAI COUNTY OVER TIME JUST CHANGES, CHANGES TO OUR OUR OWN SOCIETY.
THE WAY WE LOOK AT THINGS, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S IT'S TIME TO REVIEW OUR OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER IT'S REALLY JUST TIME TO HAVE JUST TIME TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE COMPLETELY AS A WHOLE AND JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
AND THAT HELPS US TO BRING THINGS INTO JUST TO CLARIFY LANGUAGE, CLARIFY REQUIREMENTS, MAKE CONSISTENT REQUIREMENTS ALL THROUGHOUT, ALL THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCE.
OKAY, SO UPDATE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND IT REALLY IS THE APPROACH TO SORT OF WILLY NILLY LIKE ONE ORDINANCE AT A TIME.
IT'S IT'S IT'S PIECEMEAL AT BEST.
BUT THEN IT CAN CREATE SO MANY UNINTENDED CONFLICTS.
LIKE DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE STATUTES, STATE AND FEDERAL LAW? THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS.
SO SO WHAT WE RECOMMEND AS A PLANNING UNIT IS BUDGETING FUNDS TO RETAIN A QUALIFIED FIRM, TO CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE AUDIT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A SUBSTANTIAL REWRITE.
SO THIS IS NOT A PROCESS FOR THE FAINT OF HEART.
THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE OPEN SPACE PLAN, A VERY COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT.
SO WHY IS A REVISIT THE ZONING ORDINANCE NEEDED? THE ENTIRE CODE NEEDS AN EXPANSION, A COMPREHENSIVE OVERHAUL TO ADDRESS SUCH ISSUES AS WELL.
IT INCLUDES MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT TRY TO INTERPRET IT.
WITH MANY STANDARD PRACTICES AND SOUND PLANNING.
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN THE FIELD OF PLANNING, AND THIS INCLUDES INSTANCES WHERE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND PROCEDURES ARE OVERLY COMPLICATED, NEEDLESSLY AND BURDENSOME, CAUSING UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP AND CONFUSION FOR APPLICANTS AND AND COUNTY STAFF ALIKE.
AND WE WANT TO ANALYZE THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND RECOGNITION OF MANY OF THE CHANGES TO LAND USE THAT HAVE AND LAND COVER THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE SINCE THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, INCLUDING INCREASING URBANIZATION OF POPULATION CENTERS INTO ADJACENT AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS AND EXTENSIVE UNPLANNED DEVELOPMENT
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IN RURAL AREAS.RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO NOT ONLY ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE ON THE LANDSCAPE, IN SOME CASES RAPIDLY, BUT ALSO THE CHANGES THAT WE WANT TO SEE TAKE, TAKE PLACE THAT WERE ENVISIONED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
WE WANT TO ALIGN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WITH THE YAVAPAI COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ITS GOALS, ITS POLICIES, DESIGNATED GROWTH AREAS, WHICH HASN'T BEEN DONE. PROPOSED LAND USES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT WE'RE PROGRAMING THAT SO THAT WE'RE WE'RE CRAFTING OUR ZONING TO TO MATCH CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER TO ROADWAYS, ETCETERA, SO THAT SO THAT WE'RE MAKING REALLY SMART AND EFFICIENT DECISIONS ABOUT WHERE WE PUT THE PUBLIC INVESTMENTS.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME SOME AREAS WHERE WE WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONE, EXPAND A ZONE, PULL IT BACK, OVERLAY, INSTITUTE AN OVERLAY ZONE WHERE WE WANT TO ALLOW CERTAIN USES.
MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGRITOURISM OR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THIS IF THEY MEET CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
WE WANT TO INCORPORATE STANDARDS TO ADDRESS CHANGES IN AND TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCE ADVANCES, NEW LAND USE CONCEPTS, DESIGN PARAMETERS, AND, OF COURSE, SAFEGUARDS TO ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSTRAINED AND SENSITIVE AREAS OF WHICH WE HAVE MANY OF THESE IN THE COUNTY STEEP SLOPES, WETLANDS, FLOODPLAINS.
WE'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT ABOUT THOSE IN RECENT YEARS IN PLANNING AND TO BRING THOSE UP TO CODE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A LAUNDRY LIST.
AND IT BASICALLY ARE SOME OF THE THE OTHER ISSUES TO CONSIDER ADDRESSED THAT ARE TYPICAL OF OTHER COUNTIES OR LARGE MUNICIPALITIES AND CITIES. SOME OF THE REASONS WHY THEY ALSO LOOK TO WOULD TAKE ON DOING A COMPREHENSIVE AUDIT OF THEIR PLANNING AND ZONING CODE.
SOME OF THESE ARE ALSO IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN GENERATED BY STAFF, BUT THIS IS TYPICALLY WHY LARGE COMMUNITIES, CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE ARE LOOKING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW. SO THEY WANT TO UPDATE THEIR DEFINITIONS.
THERE'S CERTAIN LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS.
WE WANT TO UPDATE PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENTS, CLUSTERING AND OTHER PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TOOLS TO INCENTIVIZE GREATER PARTICIPATION SO THAT WE CAN GET TO BETTER PLANNING OUTCOMES.
WE WANT TO LOOK AT AND UPDATE OUR RESIDENTIAL LOT REQUIREMENTS.
ONE OF THE LEADING SOURCES OF REGULATORY AND INFLATION OF HOUSING COSTS ARE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS MAKE GOOD SENSE.
BUT IN SOME CASES, IN CERTAIN ZONES THAT WE MIGHT DETERMINE TO EFFECTUATE, WE MIGHT WANT TO EASE CERTAIN STANDARDS IN ORDER TO TO WORK IN TANDEM WITH SUCH PROGRAMS AS A HOME OF MY HOME, HOME SO THAT WE CAN REALLY BE ABLE TO TO IMPLEMENT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE TODAY WITHIN THE COUNTY, THEIR FAMILIES, ETCETERA.
SO IN DOING SO, WE WANT TO LOOK AT NEW HOUSING TYPES.
WE WANT TO EMBRACE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WHERE THAT MAKES SENSE.
OTHER TOOLS ARE SMALL OR ZERO LOT LINE PRODUCTS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE COMMUNAL OWNERSHIP.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TOOLS OUT THERE.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE WE CAN AND SHOULD GO.
AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IN NEW DISTRICTS, BUT PERHAPS AS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO NOW IT'S TIME TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCES TO TO TO REALIZE THAT ON THE GROUND, WE WANT TO LOOK AT PARKING, SHORT TERM RENTALS, LONG TERM OVERFLOW GUEST ROOMS FOR FAMILY.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE GOT SHORT TERM GUEST ROOMS. BUT WHAT ABOUT FOR FOR MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY THAT MAY BE IN SOME SORT OF HARDSHIP AND MAY WANT TO STAY STAY LONGER ON THE PROPERTY? HOW DOES THAT WORK? HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE'RE TALKING WE SPOKE ABOUT ACCESSORY AND PRIMARY WIND AND SOLAR OR GEOTHERMAL DEVELOPMENT ON PROPERTY ALLOWING AGRICULTURAL HOSPITALITY, AGRICULTURAL ZONING, FARMERS MARKETS, FARM SUPPORTED WINERIES, ETCETERA.
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I DON'T THINK OUR ORDINANCE IS UP TO DATE TO BE CAPTURING AND REALIZING ALL THE THE BENEFITS AND OPPORTUNITIES AND AVAILABLE AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT GROWING INDUSTRY. WE WANT TO SIMPLIFY THE ORGANIZATION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, CLARIFY, STREAMLINE, AND REDUCE VARIOUS APPROVAL PROCESSES AND STEPS.THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER.
IT'S VIEWED BY THE STATE STATUTES AS SORT OF AN A, AND WE CALL IT AN INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USE.
WE TAKE UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME TAKING THAT BEFORE THE BOARD IF IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY BE DONE, BECAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T NECESSARILY SAY NO IF THEY MEET AND CHECK THE BOXES ANYWAY, THAT MIGHT FREE UP A LOT OF TIME.
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING.
JUST AN EXAMPLE TO CONSIDER AS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TACKLED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
PROVIDE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS TO AVOID REVIEW HEARINGS.
REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DISCRETIONARY DECISIONS AND NEGOTIATED APPROVALS.
REALLY IT'S JUST TOO SO THE THE REGULATED COMMUNITY HAS GREATER PREDICTABILITY SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS ABOUT WHERE, WHERE AND WHAT TO INVEST, ETCETERA, TO WINNOW OUT CONDITIONAL USES THAT COULD BE BY RIGHT WITH CONDITIONS.
SO IF YOU MEET CERTAIN TESTS THEN MAYBE YOU DON'T.
YOU DON'T NEED THAT BURDEN OF OF HAVING TO GO BEFORE, BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
YOU KNOW AGAIN LIKE THAT COULD BE A BY RIGHT USE IF YOU MEET CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
THIS PROCESS WOULD LIKELY ENTAIL THE FOLLOWING COMPONENTS.
CERTAINLY WE CAN CHANGE IT AROUND.
WOULD YOU ESTABLISH A CITIZEN ADVISORY GROUP IN ADDITION? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A DECISION FOR FOR YOU TO MAKE, BUT SOMETHING THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES LOOK AT WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IDENTIFY WHAT'S WORKING RIGHT, NOT JUST WHAT ISN'T, BUT BUT WHAT IS WORKING WELL AND HOW CAN WE ENHANCE IT.
AND YOU WANT TO COMPLETE YOUR PROBLEM DEFINITION DECIDING WHAT WHAT TO FIX.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH EVERYTHING AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.
BUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT REALLY NEED ATTENTION, NOT JUST FROM FROM OUR STANDPOINT OR STAFF, BUT FROM THE REGULATED COMMUNITY, FROM BUSINESS, THEIR PERSPECTIVE? SO YOU REALLY WANT TO SORT OF CAST THOSE NETS OUT.
WE WANT TO DEVELOP A LIST OF POLICY OBJECTIVES IN SUPPORT OF SPECIFIC REVISIONS AND NEW SECTIONS.
RIGHT. SO SORT OF A I'VE HEARD THE STATEMENT A TASK WITHOUT A VISION IS DRUDGERY.
RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE WANT TO GET TO.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THIS IS CAN BE A LONG AND ARDUOUS PROCESS.
ANTICIPATED GOAL 18 TO 24 MONTHS.
THIS COULD EASILY BE A TWO YEAR PROCESS FOR SURE.
AND THEN CONSULTANT AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
THESE ARE BIG PIECES, LIKE DOING A COMP PLAN OR AN OPEN SPACE PLAN.
PUBLIC HAS A BIG ROLE TO PLAY IN ALL OF THIS.
SO SPEAKERS AT COMMUNITY EVENTS, FOCUS GROUPS, STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AND SURVEYS, LISTENING SESSIONS IF YOU WANT TO GET TO A BETTER PRODUCT, THESE ARE ALL THE PIECES THAT YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO WANT TO TO TO HAVE AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
A CITIZEN ADVISORY GROUP MAY BE CERTAINLY AN ADVISORY GROUP OF STAFF AND PROFESSIONALS INTAKE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS. SO CREATE A SPECIFIC WEBSITE, COMMUNITY EVENTS, OPEN HOUSES, WORKSHOPS, PUBLIC SURVEYS, GRAPHICS SUPPORT, ORDINANCE TESTING, NEWS MEDIA, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
YOU'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT MUCH OF THESE VERY SAME STEPS.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.
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HOMES ON AN UNINCORPORATED AREA, YOU KNOW, BACKED UP AGAINST A CITY OR TOWN.AND RIGHT NOW WE ALLOW, WHAT, TWO, THREE YEARS, I GUESS THAT THEY COULD LIVE ON THE LAND.
I'M JUST ASKING, IS THAT IS THAT QUESTION THAT ISSUE, BECAUSE WE ARE 50 YEARS OLD IN OUR ORDINANCES, WOULD THAT BE ADDRESSED IN THIS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? WOULD THOSE KIND OF THINGS BE ADDRESSED? ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK ALL OF YOUR EXAMPLES.
SO I MEAN, A BIG PIECE OF THIS IS GOING TO BE WORKING WITH YOU AND LOTS OF BRAINSTORMING ARE WHAT ARE THESE ISSUES THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC AND HOW COULD WE FIX THEM, AND HOW CAN WE GET A BETTER DEVELOPMENT PRODUCT OUT ON THE ON THE LAND? HOW CAN WE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY? YOU HEARD A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF HOW WE WANT TO UPDATE SOMETHING, AND WE LOOK TO WHAT OTHER TOWNS ARE NEARBY COUNTIES ARE DOING.
BUT THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A GOOD NATIONAL CONSULTING FIRM, NOT A GENERALIST CONSULTANT, BUT A SPECIALIST, IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE COUNTRY SO THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE CONTEMPORARY LANGUAGE THAT MANY OTHER CITIES ARE FOUND EFFECTIVE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE BECOMING A MORE URBANIZED COUNTY, AT LEAST WHERE PEOPLE TEND TO LIVE TODAY.
AND WE REALLY NEED TO SORT OF UPDATE THE ZONING TO EMBRACE THAT REALITY.
WELL, HONESTLY, IT'S HARD TO EVEN SEE ANYMORE THE PART WHERE YOU MIGHT SAY, THIS IS COUNTY AND THIS IS CITY OR TOWN, BECAUSE WE ARE RIGHT UP TO EACH OTHER IN LOTS OF AREAS THROUGHOUT, EVERYWHERE.
DO WE HAVE THIS IN THE BUDGET? HAVE WE? IS THIS IN A BUDGET THIS YEAR OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT FOR NEXT FISCAL? SO SUPERVISOR MALLORY, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION TO, YOU KNOW, TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, DO DO WE FEEL LIKE DO WE FEEL LIKE THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS DUE FOR AN UPDATE? DOES IT NEED TO BE UPDATED? YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THAT, AS AS MATT WAS KIND OF POINTING OUT, IT DOES COME WITH A COST.
WELL, I THINK AFTER 50 YEARS IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED.
WE AREN'T EVEN THE SAME THAT WE WERE FOUR YEARS AGO, BASICALLY IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE STRUCTURING.
GOING TO MEETINGS, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
SO, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT US GETTING A CURRENT VISION AND AND I DON'T I DON'T HAVE LIKE I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPECIFICS, BUT WHAT I DO SUPPORT IS THIS THAT WE GET UPDATED AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CITIES AND TOWNS ARE RIGHT IN THE BACKYARD OF THE COUNTY, AND THAT WE WORK BETTER WITH OUR CITIES AND TOWNS SO THAT THE PUBLIC ISN'T CONFUSED ABOUT PRESCOTT VALLEY, I THINK ALLOWS SIX MONTHS TO BE ON A LOT.
YOU GOT SIX MONTHS TO BE ON THE LOT, AND IF YOU'RE NOT DONE, YOU GOT TO GO.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
SUPERVISOR OBERG HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT OUR HELP, BUT THEN THEY WE SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTIES, AND THEY'RE RIGHT BACK WITHIN RIGHT BACK. AS SOON AS WE'RE PICKING IT UP, IT'S LIKE YOU TURN AROUND AND THEY'RE THROWING SOMETHING NEW DOWN.
SO YEAH, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I JUST WOULD LIKE A MORE UPDATE.
BUT AS WITH ALL THE TOPICS THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS MORNING, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THE VISIONARY AND THE STRATEGIC AND THE METHODICAL APPROACH THAT REQUIRES BOTH BUDGET AND TIMELINE TO GET THE BEST WORK DONE.
BUT AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO ADDRESS THE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW ISSUES THAT WE ARE SEEING STRUGGLING WITH OFTEN SENDING FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON A SPLIT VOTE.
AND SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE SEEING THAT AROUND CONEX STORAGE VESSELS AS PERMANENT STRUCTURES, NOT JUST A STAND ALONE, BUT WHERE THEY BECOME EMBEDDED IN A STRUCTURE THAT BY OUTWARD APPEARANCES, SOMEONE MIGHT NOT KNOW OR RECOGNIZE AS WHAT WAS ONCE DEFINED AS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
SO I MIGHT SUGGEST YOU WAS IT ON THERE OKAY.
I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT YOU STICK THAT ONE IN THERE.
BUT THE THE OTHER ONE IS THIS RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AS OVERFLOW GUEST QUARTERS.
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I THINK IT'S SO ESSENTIAL THAT WE GET SOME BETTER PROCESS TO GET US MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON THAT.BUT I DO CHALLENGE THE CONCEPT THAT IT COULD BE FOR FAMILY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE THAT ARE DISENFRANCHIZED OF FAMILY SHOULD BE RESTRICTED FROM HAVING THE SAME PRIVILEGES MAKING A GUEST QUARTER AVAILABLE, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE'RE FACING.
SO SOMEBODY THAT'S THE GOT THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT ON THEIR PROPERTY AND WANTS TO EXTEND IT TO A FRIEND OR SOME NON FAMILIAL. I DON'T SEE WHERE BLOODLINE SHOULD BE GUIDING OUR OUR PROCESS ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF WORK.
AND WITH THE RECREATIONAL, I THINK WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON IT.
AND I THINK IT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND VET OUT AND HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT, BECAUSE WE ALLOW TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THERE'S JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MANAGING AND KEEPING OUR COMMUNITIES LOOKING NICE TOO.
SO I AGREE WE SHOULD PROBABLY WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND PUT THAT AND HAVE THAT AS A BUDGET DISCUSSION AND HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND PROCEED, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THE THAT I GET COMPLAINTS ON ALL THE TIME WITH SIGNAGE AND THE CONEX BOXES, YOU NAME IT. AND WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OPERATING IN AN EFFICIENT WAY.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SUPERVISOR MALLORY I'M SORRY I YES.
SO IF WE'RE WAITING ON A FISCAL BUDGET TIME, IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY RIGHT NOW IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO LOOK AT THIS SITUATION.
WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE IN THIS IN THIS BUDGET YEAR TO START THAT PROCESS.
ALL RIGHT. AND SO IN THE MEANTIME, UM, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING.
CURRENTLY. WE'RE JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, AND THEN WE HAVE TO GET THAT CONSULTANT.
YEAH, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING BASED ON BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE FROM THE BOARD.
FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED IN THE LAST BOARD MEETING, THOUGH, IN REGARDS TO DISTANCES AND NOTIFICATION TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ASKING FOR VARIANCES OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN HERE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS ALREADY IN PROCESS.
IT'S ALREADY MADE IT TO THE BOARD.
TO THE BOARD. WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THAT.
WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER SOME CLARIFICATION.
IN FACT, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT DURING OUR ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION AS WELL.
BUT THAT ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS ALREADY IN PROCESS.
GOOD. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF.
YES, SIR. OKAY, I SUPPORT THIS.
I'M. I UNDERSTAND THE FISCAL YEAR AND THOSE BUDGET RESTRAINTS, BUT WHAT WOULD PREVENT STAFF FROM GOING OUT NOW TO GATHER A LIST OF POTENTIAL FIRMS THAT CAN PERFORM THIS WORK FOR US? BRING THEM IN, TALK TO THEM, SKYPE WITH THEM, AND GET PROPOSALS IN HAND.
AND WE MIGHT FIND ON THE POSITIVE SIDE THAT MAYBE THERE'S A COOL FIRM OUT THERE THAT COULD PERFORM THIS FOR $100,000 OR $75,000.
WHY WAIT? AND LET'S START THE MONETARY PROCESS TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT'S OUT THERE.
I THINK WHAT SANDY'S SAYING IS, LET'S GET ON THE BALL AND LET'S WRITE UP WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS A PROPOSAL OR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, AND GET THAT READY TO PUT OUT WHEN WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY.
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SO WE'RE ONE STEP AHEAD OF THE GAME.WE'RE WAITING UNTIL JUNE OR JULY OF THIS NEXT YEAR.
AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR.
YEAH. TO TO BOTH OF YOUR POINTS.
YEAH. DALE. I'M AFRAID JIM COULDN'T SEE YOU WAY DOWN THERE.
AS A MEMBER OF THE REGULATED COMMUNITY AND HAVE BEEN FOR QUITE A WHILE.
I'VE. THERE IS NO BOX OF COUNTY ORDINANCES THAT CAN BE UNPACKED AND JUST DELIVERED TO US. EVERY COUNTY IN THIS STATE HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF ORDINANCES AND FOR THE SAME REASON THAT WE DO.
IT WAS STARTED IN 1968, AND IT'S NOT THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT WAS STARTED IN 1968.
EVERY ADMINISTRATION PUTS THEIR OWN SPIN ON WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE REGULATING.
AND SO IT'S A COLLABORATION OF LOTS OF DIRECTORS AND BOARDS OVER THE LAST LONG TIME THAT GOT US WHERE WE ARE. AND COCONINO, MARICOPA, MOJAVE COUNTIES, THEY'VE ALL DONE THE EXACT SAME THING.
THEY STARTED OUT WITH WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY NEEDED, AND THEY'VE SPENT THE LAST DECADES.
TWISTING IT AND TRYING TO MAKE IT FIT WHAT THEIR COMMUNITY NEEDS.
IT'S A UNICORN THAT DOESN'T EXIST THERE.
AND. I'VE WATCHED NOT NECESSARILY THE COUNTY, BUT I WORK IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND TOWNS AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE TRIED TO CHANGE THINGS, AND IT HAPPENS A LOT, AND IT'S NEVER TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DO SOMETHING.
IT ALWAYS, SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, CONFOUNDS THE PROCESS AND ENDS UP WHOEVER DID IT ENDS UP LEAVING IN A REVOLVING DOOR SITUATION AND LEAVES A SET OF ORDINANCES IN PLACE THAT ARE REALLY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON'T HAVE THE APPETITE TO GO BACK TO IT, AND SO WE END UP LIVING WITH IT.
I THINK THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON MAKING THINGS RIGHT, RATHER THAN TRYING TO GO IN AND AND DELIVER A BRAND NEW PACKAGE THAT NONE OF IT'S BEEN VETTED.
WE END UP WITH ORDINANCES THAT LEGAL DEFENSE WILL SAY, WELL, I'M WILLING TO DEFEND THAT, AND IT NEVER GETS TESTED BECAUSE JOE CAN'T COME IN AND FIGHT THE KING OVER SOME RULE AND THEY END UP.
JUST HAVING TO KOWTOW TO WHATEVER'S IN PLACE.
IT MAKES IT SO I CAN WORK WITHOUT HAVING TO WONDER WHAT I CAN GET AWAY WITH.
I HAVE A SET OF REGULATIONS IN FRONT OF ME, AND THAT'S WHAT I FOCUS ON.
I DELIVER IT, I EXPECT IT TO BE TO CODE.
THAT'S JUST MY OWN OPINION, OF COURSE.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT.
AND WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO DO THAT TO SOME EXTENT.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES IN THE FUTURE ENVIRONMENT.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE RUNNING INTO? YOU'VE KIND OF LAID OUT A LOT OF THAT ALREADY.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD INFLUX OF 10,000 OR 10 MILLION PEOPLE OVER THE BORDER.
I'M ALREADY HEARING COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU RENT, YOU KNOW, RENT A ROOM OUT TO SOMEBODY OR, YOU KNOW, BUILD A CASITA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE ONLY HAVE, WHAT, ONE RESIDENT ON A, ON A PROPERTY SO PEOPLE COULD BE COMING FORWARD AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD A CASITA
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AND, AND PUT PEOPLE UP BECAUSE IT COULD BE JUST PEOPLE THAT NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING.IT COULD BE OTHERS, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A 100,000.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
I WAS POSITIVE, I WAS BEING POSITIVE.
I'M GLAD. I THINK YOU SAID THIS COULD BE TWO YEARS.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
AND IT IS TO YOUR POINT, IT'S A MULTI YEAR PROCESS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE WOULD HAVE A MULTI YEAR CONTRACT ON.
YEAH. SO I AGREE I MEAN WE'VE GOT 50 YEAR OLD ORDINANCES.
AND AS A GENTLEMAN OUT THERE AND INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES TO THOSE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF ISSUES THAT COME UP AT A PARTICULAR TIME.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD, SOLID LOOK AT THEM.
SO I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS.
CERTAINLY, AS DALE HAD STATED, ONE SIZE IS NOT GOING TO FIT ALL.
WE LOOKED AT THE BUILDING CODES THAT WE TRIED TO ADOPT BACK ABOUT 2009, LOOKING AT THE NATION AND TRYING TO ADOPT BUILDING CODES WHERE WE HAVE TO BURY PIPE FIVE FOOT DEEP TO KEEP THE FROST FROM BURSTING IT AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
WHEN YOU HIRE A CONSULTANT, I'VE RUN THEM, MANY OF THEM WITH SEARS, ROEBUCK AND COMPANY.
THEY MIRROR EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNTY OR ANYBODY ELSE PUTS INTO THEM.
SO AGAIN, BESIDES THAT FIRM, HOW MANY COUNTY HOURS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPLY TO IDENTIFY AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING? SO AGAIN, INTERNALLY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THESE ITEMS THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED AND CORRECTED, BROUGHT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, TO THE BOARD, AND LET'S GET ON IT.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CHANGES.
YOU IDENTIFIED THE CELL TOWERS AGAIN AS A COMMISSION.
TO SAY. YEAH, AND THAT'S A WASTE OF COUNTY MONEY.
MY TIME? AND LET'S IDENTIFY WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND LET'S FIX IT.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD CONCUR WITH WITH JIM AND HARRY AND ALSO DALE, YOU KNOW, AS I'M THINKING OF IT, YOU THINK, WELL, I COME UP AND GIVE US, YOU KNOW, A SET OF RULES THAT ARE GOING TO APPLY AND WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO CHANGE THEM.
WRONG. AS SOON AS WE GET IT, IT'LL HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
I GUARANTEE IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT, A LIVING PROCESS.
MATERIALS CHANGE IN THE BUILDING WORLD, YOU KNOW, AND HOW THEY'RE APPLIED.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE ANYMORE.
LET'S GET RID OF IT, YOU KNOW.
SO GIVE IT TO THE BOARD AND SAY GOODBYE TO THAT ORDINANCE.
OR YOU CAN ONLY SPIT ON THE SIDEWALK IF IT'S BUBBLE GUM OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF ANECDOTAL THOUGHT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BRING IT UP TO DATE AND WHAT APPLIES TO US, BECAUSE IF WE GO OUT AND WE GO TO SOMEBODY THAT COMES BACK WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN MARICOPA, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING TO FIT UP HERE, YOU KNOW, OR PLACES LIKE THAT OR LOS ANGELES COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, HERE SOMETHING.
SO I THINK I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAY.
I THINK YOU LOOK AT THE DIVERSITY OF OUR COUNTY.
I THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK INWARD AND LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES AND SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING HERE THAT WE'VE LOOKED INTO HERE, AND WE THINK THESE NEED TO BE CHANGED, GOTTEN RID OF.
I THINK WE'RE JUST. THAT'S BAD MONEY.
AND I AGREE WITH SUPERVISOR BROWN THAT WE ALL HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AT THIS INWARD.
IT'S JUST NOT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF.
IT'S ALL OF US PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
SO MAYBE WE AGREE TO TAKE ON OUR HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT.
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I HAVE THE ZONING CODE IN MY OFFICE.WE CAN ALL COME UP WITH A HALF A DOZEN, A DOZEN CHANGES THAT WE SEE HAPPENING, PRESENT THEM TO JEREMY AND HIS TEAM, AND NOW WE TAKE ANOTHER STEP FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE ALL ON THEIR SHOULDERS TO LOOK AT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME, JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER BUCHANAN SAID.
SHE HAS HER LIST OF SOME VERY IMPORTANT ONES.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THEM, SO MAYBE WE ALL AGREE TO TAKE ON THAT HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT.
WELL, I THINK. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONSULTANT COME IN, HE'S GOING TO FACILITATE OR WHOEVER COMES IN IS GOING TO FACILITATE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS FROM US.
YOU GUYS, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, THE CONTRACTORS, THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE CONTACTED AND ALL THAT INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN A PACKAGE AND THEN COME TO THE COMMISSION, COME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TWEAK IT.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE HIS SET OF RULES OR HER SET OF RULES AND JUST GO WITH IT.
I THINK IF WE WANT TO BE PRODUCTIVE, WE NEED TO GET AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT, COME IN, LOOK AT IT, TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION IN AND THEN IT GETS COME THROUGH THE COMMISSION, COME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND WE COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD PRODUCT IN THE LONG TERM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LIVING WITH FOR THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.
SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON TOP OF MY HEAD THAT I'D LIKE TO GET ACCOMPLISHED AND ALL THE COMPLAINTS I GOT, BUT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, AND WE'RE NOT PUTTING THAT BURDEN JUST ON COUNTY STAFF TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
I THINK WE GET A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT BY COMING IN WITH A CONSULTANT.
I THINK THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO JUST WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE HAD TO HAVE SOMEONE TO REALLY HELP FACILITATE ALL OF THE PROCESS.
NOW I HEAR TWO THINGS DRIVING THIS.
IT'S. IT'S A MAZE TO GO THROUGH OUR CURRENT ZONING.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS HOW DO WE BRING IT INTO LINE WITH THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO I THINK THERE ARE TWO FUNDAMENTAL DRIVERS OF THIS THAT WE'RE ALL BEHIND, WHICH IS HOW DO WE DESIGN THIS NEXT PHASE OF OUR COUNTY. AND HAVE THAT END UP IN ORDINANCES, BECAUSE I WENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I SAID, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF IT DOESN'T END UP IN ZONING ORDINANCES.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS TODAY LIKE OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS TO MAKE OUR PLAN MAKE THEIR LIFE EASIER, MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER, MAKE OUR LIFE EASIER, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MAKE OUR CITIZENS AND DEVELOPERS LIFE EASIER AND CLEARER DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE WORK ON THEIR PART, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT THAT WORK IS AND NOT HAVE IT.
SO I'M COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS KIND OF A LET'S LET'S FIGURE THIS STUFF OUT AND LET'S DO THE WORK AS A COUNTY TO BRING OUR COUNTY INTO THE 21ST CENTURY SO THAT PEOPLE WANT PEOPLE ARE REALLY ABLE TO USE MODERN EQUIPMENT, MODERN TOOLS, MODERN LIGHTS, ALL MANY OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY ALL DAY ARE THOSE THINGS.
THAT WE THAT PERMEATE THE PLAN EVERYWHERE.
LED LIGHTS ARE JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF HOW THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED.
AND I'M SURE THAT SOME OF SANDY'S PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT THE THE ZONING ORDINANCES AND GO, HERE ARE 15 THINGS THAT MAKE NO DAMN SENSE BECAUSE WE'VE JUST CHANGED HOW WE BUILD HOUSES.
GOOD, SO I DON'T I COMMEND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR REALLY BEING WILLING TO PUT THIS OUT IN FRONT OF US, BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING ON A BIG PROJECT.
ABSOLUTELY. ANY FURTHER COMMENT? JUST. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD JUMP IN FOR A MOMENT AS WELL.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I'M HEARING HERE TOO.
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WELL. THAT WAS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS.AND THAT THAT INCLUDED A CONSULTANT AS WELL TO TO BRING THAT INFORMATION, COMPILE THAT INFORMATION, PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND PUT US PUT IT PUT TOGETHER A A GOOD DOCUMENT FOR US.
AND, AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ALL OF US.
AND TO THE OTHER POINT THAT WAS MADE, EVERYONE WILL HAVE A STAKE IN THIS.
EVERYONE'S GOING TO HAVE HOMEWORK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONSULTANT LEVEL UPDATE OF THE ORDINANCE, WELL, THEN THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE PROBABLY A CITIZEN, YOU KNOW, A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THE THE P AND Z COMMISSION ON A, ON A HIGH LEVEL, ON A, ON A, ON A VERY BIG SCALE.
AND THAT'S OF COURSE GOING TO INCLUDE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE DOING EXTRA WORK, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THIS.
TERMS. UH, SO WHAT? I'M WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IT SOUNDS IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE MOSTLY IN FAVOR OF MOVING AHEAD WITH.
PROPOSED PUTTING TOGETHER A PROPOSAL PACKAGE FOR A CONSULTANT TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE.
I THINK THAT'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, THE FINAL, FINAL AGENDA ITEM HERE IS THE GENERAL DISCUSSION OF ROUND TABLE.
AND I APOLOGIZE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS ALREADY 12:00, BUT I UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DEFINITELY A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO TO COVER, AT LEAST IN SOME LEVEL OF DETAIL. ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT I HAD HEARD FROM THE THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY WAS JUST NEEDING SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE SECTION 564 OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR FOR TEMPORARY WHAT DO WE CALL THAT TEMPORARY DWELLING OVERFLOW? GUEST. YEAH. GUEST DWELLING IN RVS.
SO STEPHANIE PUT TOGETHER SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THAT.
SHE CAN SHE CAN PRESENT THAT IF IF THE BOARD IS IF THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSION ARE WILLING.
YES. STEPHANIE JOHNSON FROM THE RECORD PLANNER WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I WON'T REHASH THE WHOLE THING.
I DID PUT TOGETHER SOME SLIDES IN CASE THERE WAS ANY QUESTION TO SEE.
THE CURRENT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WAS.
ALONG THE SAME LINE, WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWING.
AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT TODAY HERE.
SO CITY OF COTTONWOOD ALLOWS FOR A TOTAL OF 42 DAYS IN A ONE YEAR PERIOD.
HOWEVER, THERE WILL BE NO MORE THAN TWO WEEKS DURATION IN A VISIT.
IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN APPROVED RV PARK.
PRESCOTT VALLEY DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THESE OVERFLOW GUESTS USE.
THEY ONLY ALLOW FOR A TEMPORARY DWELLING DURING CONSTRUCTION.
TOWN OF CAMP VERDE ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS, BUT NO MORE THAN TEN CONSECUTIVE.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR SMALLER JURISDICTIONS.
BUT TO LOOK AT THE OTHER COUNTIES SO WE CAN COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES THERE.
COCONINO COUNTY DOES NOT ALLOW RV OCCUPATION.
ONCE YOU HAVE A HOME ON THE PROPERTY, THEY ONLY ALLOW IT ON VACANT PROPERTY.
MOJAVE COUNTY ALLOWS NO MORE THAN ONE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE TO BE PARKED AND OCCUPIED AT ANY TIME, AND THE PERIOD CANNOT EXCEED A CUMULATIVE TOTAL OF 30 DAYS DURING ANY ONE CALENDAR YEAR.
NO MORE THAN 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS AT A TIME.
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AT NO TIME SHALL MOBILE HOME SHALL THE MOBILE HOME TRAVEL TRAILER AIRCRAFT BOAT.SO THE RESEARCH SHOWS YAVAPAI COUNTY IS BY FAR THE MOST LENIENT IN THEIR ALLOWANCES OF THE OVERFLOW.
GUEST USE. THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT TO DO WITH THIS, AND HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE IT? WE'VE HAD SUCH.
DIFFERENT STANCES ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE HAVE SOME WHO SAY, REEL IT IN.
WE WANT AS MINIMAL TIME AS POSSIBLE IN THESE OVERFLOW GUEST ROOMS. THEN WE HAVE OTHERS WHO ARE SAYING, WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSING SHORTAGE? WHAT ABOUT MULTIGENERATIONAL LIVING? WHAT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IF WE REDUCE THIS OR TAKE IT AWAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREET.
IN MY OPINION, LOOKING AT THAT, WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
SO ANYBODY WHO'S LIVING IN IT IS ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND REDUCING THIS WOULD NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT IN THAT SENSE OF PUTTING PEOPLE OUT OF A HOME.
THERE'S ALREADY A LIMITATION, LIMITATION INVOLVED.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SUPERVISOR BROWN.
NO. WELL IT IS YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC.
SO SO BASICALLY WE HAVE IN RIGHT NOW WE CAN GO UP TO WHAT DID YOU SAY 90 DAYS.
90 DAYS AND A ONE YEAR PERIOD.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE IS, IS IF MOM COMES TO LIVE WITH ME BECAUSE SHE'S GETTING OLD.
DA DA DA DA. AND SHE'S GOING TO LIVE IN THE TRAILER IN THE BACK.
SO HOW LONG DO I LET HER LIVE THERE? SO IN THOSE SORT OF INSTANCES, IF YOU JUST WANT TO GO BY WHAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, SHE HAS 90 DAYS THAT SHE CAN STAY AT YOUR HOUSE IN A ONE YEAR PERIOD.
CAN I GET A VARIANCE? IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A PERMANENT, THEN THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
HOWEVER, WE ALWAYS HAVE A USE PERMIT AVAILABLE THAT ALLOWS FOR THOSE EXCEPTIONS IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT OR ANY PARCEL STILL IN A TRAILER, CORRECT? CORRECT. IN A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE TYPE TRAILER OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSION IF IT'S IN A FIXED STRUCTURE.
DOES IT STILL REMAIN ONLY 90 DAYS? NO. THEN THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BRING SOME CLARITY TO OUR DEFINITIONS ON WHAT IS A GUEST ROOM OR WHAT IS AN OVERFLOW GUEST ROOM, BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO RENT OUT ROOMS IN YOUR HOME, UP TO FOUR ROOMS, AND THAT'S AN OVERFLOW ROOM. WE'LL GET HERE TO THE DEFINITION.
OKAY. I'M SORRY, THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
ANYTHING OVER 45 DAYS IN A IN A TRAILER IS THE EXTENT, THE MAXIMUM.
ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A LOT LESS.
FIRST OF ALL, TRAILERS ARE NOT BUILT FOR LONG PERIOD OCCUPANCY.
BUILDING SAFETY. THEY DON'T HAVE THE ELECTRONIC THE ELECTRICAL AVAILABILITY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SEPTIC AND WATER.
IT'S THERE, IT'S GOT EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND HOW DOES THIS ONE LITTLE PIECE AFFECT THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE REST OF THE ALLOWANCES YOU CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SHORTAGE OF HOUSING AND YOU HAVE A COUNTY? WELL, THE FACT PEOPLE LIVING IN RECREATIONAL VEHICLES ON A, ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY ALREADY OCCUPIED BY A HOUSE IS GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
NO, IT'S GOING TO BECOME A PROBLEM AND AN EYESORE.
WE WERE LOOKING AT 30 DAYS, 120 DAYS.
FROM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT UP THERE, I WOULD SAY NO MORE THAN TEN DAYS.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LAND ON A SOLID AREA OF WHAT MOST EVERYBODY IN REGARDS TO THIS.
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A REASONABLE.
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ACCOMMODATION, ACCOMMODATION.SO ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS AN ONGOING ORDINANCE THAT THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR FOR A LONG TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY I THAT WAS WHY I RECOMMENDED 45 DAYS.
A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS ESTABLISHING WHEN IS DAY ONE IS WHEN OUR PERSON GOES OUT AND SEES THAT SOMEBODY LIVING IN THE TRAILER, THAT'S DAY ONE. NOW THEY'VE GOT FROM THEN UNTIL WHENEVER THE 45 TO 90 DAYS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE BEFORE THEY'RE TRULY IN VIOLATION, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR SIX MONTHS ALREADY. AND TO TO COMMENT ON THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT REQUIRING A PERMIT INITIALLY.
AND THAT PERMIT WOULD GIVE US THAT TOOL OF WHEN TIME FRAMES START FOR ENFORCEMENT.
HOWEVER, THROUGH DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION, IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT THAT WILL BE TOO BURDENSOME ON STAFF TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT TYPE OF WORK AND BE ABLE TO DO THOSE PERMITS AND KEEP THEM MOVING OUT AS QUICKLY AS PEOPLE WILL NEED THEM, BECAUSE YOU 45 DAYS, THAT'S A LOT OF TURNAROUND.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE STRUGGLES THAT THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT HAS TAKEN THROUGH.
THE PROCESS IS THERE'S JUST SO MANY MOVING PIECES TO LOOK AT AND LOOKING AT OUR ADU ALLOWANCES AND SUCH WOULD DEFINITELY BE A GOOD TOOL TO ANSWER SOME OF THE HOUSING TYPE ISSUES.
BUT AS I UNDERSTOOD FROM LAST JOINT SESSION, IT'S THE UNSIGHTLINESS AND THE SAFETY THAT IS A PROBLEM WITH THE OVERFLOW GUEST USE.
ABSOLUTELY. BUT YOU HAVE IF WE DO 45 DAYS AND THEN DO NOT ALLOW PERMANENT LIVING IN RVS WITH THE WITH THE ELECTRICAL SEWAGE PROBLEM, WE'RE OPEN PANDORA'S BOX.
IF WE ALLOW THAT, I THINK WE'RE ALREADY REALLY LENIENT AUTHORIZING THE 45 DAYS.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT ALLOWING PERMANENT LIVING IN AN RV.
SO IN THE SECONDARY MEDICAL, THIS IS A CURVE, OKAY? SOMEBODY COMES IN AND COMPLAINS ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS LETTING THEIR SOMEBODY LIVE IN THEIR TRAILER BEHIND THEIR HOUSE.
OKAY. SO WE GO OUT AND GO, OKAY, DAY ONE VIOLATION.
SO 45 DAYS STARTS CURRENTLY 1 TO 1.
WELL, AND SO THEY MOVE OUT AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1 AND 45 DAYS AND SOMEBODY ELSE MOVES IN.
EXACTLY THAT. A NEW VIOLATION OR THE SAME VIOLATION? EXACTLY. SO I HAVE ACTUALLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN RV.
I HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TAKEN THEIR CAMPER OFF OF A TRUCK.
PUT IT ON THE GROUND IN THE FRONT YARD, AND I DRIVE BY AND I LOOK AT THE EXTENSION CORD DAILY, RUNNING FROM THE HOUSE TO THE CAMPER, YOU KNOW, AND THESE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BACKED RIGHT UP INTO GRANVILLE AND ALSO BACKING NOW UP OVER TO JASPER'S. SO FIRE IS MY BIG CONCERN.
IT'S GONE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO BRING SOME CLARITY IN THE DEFINITIONS, IN SPECIFYING SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN A GUEST ROOM AND AN OVERFLOW GUEST ROOM, THAT THE OVERFLOW GUEST ROOMS WILL PREVENT SOME TYPES OF STRUCTURES, MEMBRANE STRUCTURES, TENTS, SO TO SAY, BUT THAT IT GIVES SOME DEFINITIONS TO WHAT CAN BE USED FOR THOSE OVERFLOW GUEST ROOMS. SO THEY AREN'T TAKING THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT TRUCK CAMPER AND PUTTING IT ON THE GROUND.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES TO IT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS TO ACTUALLY BRING TRUE CLARITY TO IT.
JUST THOUGHT WE'D THROW IT OUT FOR SOME DISCUSSION HERE.
AND COMMISSIONER BUCHANAN'S GONNA.
ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I TRIED TO REPRESENT OUR THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION AT THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, AND SUPERVISOR BROWN SPECIFICALLY CALLED FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THE DISSENTING OPINIONS.
BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONERS PETERSON AND THOMAS WHO ALSO HAD DISSENTING VOTES.
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THANKS A LOT, LINDA.YOU KNOW, THESE TRAVEL TRAILERS AREN'T MEANT TO BE LIVED IN.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ANY THING IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO LIVE IN.
BUT THE WAY THE COUNTY HAS BEEN OPERATING IS IF YOUR NEIGHBOR IS GOT SOMEBODY LIVING IN A FIFTH WHEEL OUT BACK AND THEY'RE NOT OFFENDING ANYBODY AND NOT DRAWING ANY NOTICE FROM THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY GET AWAY WITH IT FOR AS LONG AS THEY ARE REMAINING CLEAN AND NON BURDENSOME.
AND MY THOUGHT WAS THAT EVERYTHING WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT STATUS QUO AND THAT IF THERE.
WE SHOULD TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT WITHOUT GIVING HIM PERMISSION TO DO IT.
ONE IS, JUST MAINTAINING A ORDINANCE LIKE THIS IS ALMOST IN MY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.
AND SECONDLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE BY THIS.
IF WE HAVE 3 OR 4 PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS, LET'S FOCUS ON THE 3 OR 4 PEOPLE, NOT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHICH WE'RE STARTING TO PUT BURDENS ON OR MORE RESTRICTIONS ON.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS JUST DEFINING SOME OF THESE THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT 45 DAYS IN A YEAR.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN FOR FOUR DAYS, LEAVES, COMES BACK FOR FOUR DAYS? I MEAN, IT'S JUST A HUGE.
A NIGHTMARE FOR ANYONE TO TO SUPERVISE.
SO I JUST THINK WE'RE GETTING TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, AND WE DON'T KNOW THE THE EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.
SO IF YOU SEE AN EXTENSION CORD GOING ACROSS TO IT AND SOMEBODY TURNS IT IN.
AGAIN, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND CHECK THAT.
AND I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE WE NEED TO REALIZE WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
RECORD I, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO AS I'M, AS I'M LISTENING TO THESE COMMENTS HERE, AND THIS IS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION AND, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR PURPOSE HERE FOR THE ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION WAS JUST TO PROVIDE SOME MORE CLARITY TO WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, WHAT WENT THROUGH P AND Z ALREADY AND WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
AND AND I KNOW THIS IS A THIS IS BEEN A CHALLENGING ONE TO TO WRESTLE WITH AND JUST JUST TO MAYBE KIND OF DISTILL DOWN TO REALLY THE THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
THE. THE MAIN CONCERN, AS I RECALL FROM THE JOINT SESSION, WAS PEOPLE LIVING ON PROPERTY FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME AND AND NOT AND BASICALLY NOT LEAVING THEIR JUST SETTING UP CAMP.
YOU KNOW, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE REQUIRES, ALLOWS FOR.
UM, OVERFLOW GUESTS TO LIVE ON PROPERTY FOR 90 DAYS.
SO I THINK IF I'M READING THE IF I'M UNDERSTANDING MOST OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP HERE, PERHAPS REDUCING THAT TO 45 DAYS OR REDUCING THAT TO SOME OTHER ARBITRARY NUMBER, YOU KNOW, MAY BE MAY BE THE RESOLUTION TO THIS.
THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE FOCUS OF THIS ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS TODAY.
OF COURSE, THIS IS COMING BACK TO YOU, THE BOARD, AT A LATER TIME.
BUT. SO LOOKING AT THE VERY BASIC PURPOSE OF THIS ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT BEING THAT 90 DAY ALLOWANCE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED WHEN GUESTS COME ON PROPERTY, SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO BE ON PROPERTY FOR TEN DAYS, 45 DAYS, 90 DAYS?
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY KIND OF A PERMANENT ALLOWANCE, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DWELL PERMANENTLY IN, IN TEMPORARY STRUCTURES LIKE RVS.CERTAINLY. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR MAIN, OUR MAIN FOCUS OF THIS ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WAS. ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHAT'S THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THE RV? DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN APPROVED ELECTRICAL SOURCE? DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ABILITY TO HAVE A DUMP STATION ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S CONNECTED TO A WASTEWATER SYSTEM OR A SEPTIC? IS THERE A NECESSITY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AMPLE WATER, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED SERVICE OR, YOU KNOW, HALT SERVICE? I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT JUST AN RV ON THE PROPERTY FOR 45 DAYS, AND YOU'VE GOT TO WONDER HOW IT'S SUSTAINING ITSELF.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW JUST AN ELECTRICAL CORD.
SO THERE MUST BE SOME KIND OF MORE SUBSTANTIAL ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
SO WHAT DOES WHAT DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE CODES THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE STEPHANIE PULLED THAT UP.
CORRECT. CURRENTLY THIS IS OUR CURRENT THIS IS OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAFEGUARDS IN THERE FOR THIS.
THE ONLY THING THAT POSSIBLY DOES IS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL UNIT.
THAT'S IT. ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES? CORRECT. NOT THAT THEY OBTAIN ANY PROOF OF ANYTHING.
NOT THAT THEY PROVIDE PROOF OF ANYTHING.
NOT THAT THEY'RE REGISTERING ANYTHING.
NOTHING ALONG THOSE LINES JUST SAYS THAT THEY SHALL CHECK AND MAKE SURE.
SO IT WOULD BE MONITORING OVER THAT FRIEND THAT LIVES IN OREGON DOESN'T LIKE THE WINTER.
SO HE GOES DOWN TO YUMA AND A LOT OF PROPERTIES DOWN THERE ALLOW A LARGE TRAVEL TRAIL TO COME ON.
THEY PROVIDE THEM THE REGULAR WATER SERVICE AND SERVES THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE HOOKED UP TO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM FOR THE PROPERTY, AND THEY HAVE A LARGE ELECTRICAL PANEL OF 30 OR 50 AMP SERVICE, AND THEY STAY THERE FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEY PAY AND THEN THEY LEAVE WHEN THEY GET SUMMERTIME AGAIN.
IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS REASONABLE TO ME.
MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT HERE BECAUSE SIX MONTHS IS TOO LONG, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE CLARITY ON EXACTLY HOW THAT RV IS GOING TO BE SERVICED. AND I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE NO OUTSIDE STORAGE.
I'VE GOT MANY AREAS RIGHT NOW WHERE I'VE GOT AN RV AND HALF THE ACRE IS COVERED WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN BRING IN, WHETHER IT'S RVS OR TENTS OR BARRELS AND ALL KINDS OF GARBAGE.
SO OUTSIDE STORAGE HAS GOT TO BE MAINTAINED 100%.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE POINTS THAT CAME UP DURING ONE OF THE TWO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS IS WILL WE ALLOW A HOME OUTSIDE STORAGE? AND THE RV IS PARKED RIGHT THERE ON THE HOME? IT'S PART OF THAT OUTSIDE STORAGE.
HOW DO WE SAY THAT THE RV CAN'T HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE THAT THE SAME PROPERTY ALREADY AFFORDS, SO THAT WE'VE RUN INTO SEVERAL COMPLICATIONS JUST LIKE THAT, WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO ANTICIPATE WHAT WE NEEDED FOR THE COVERAGE.
SHE PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS ORDINANCE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE BUILDING CODE WOULD REQUIRE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAD ADDED. OKAY, THIS VERSION, THE EXISTING FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS MUST SUPPLY ADEQUATE ACCOMMODATIONS.
AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF LANDED BECAUSE OF THOSE VARYING ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE ELECTRICAL CORDS, THE SEPTIC HOOKUP, THE WATER ACCESSIBILITY, THE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
THERE'S NOT BEEN SOLID CONFIRMATION THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD.
BE, QUITE HONESTLY, IN MY MIND.
YEAH. WE HAVE JUST KICKED THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND BACK UP THE ROAD AND ALL AROUND.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AS THOUGH THESE ARE NONPAYING GUESTS.
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AND IN FACT, THERE IS A COMPLETE AND COMPLEX UNDERGROUND HOUSING MARKET USING RVS IN THIS SORT OF SCENARIO. AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY MECHANISM TO POLICE THAT, BUT IT IS A SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT OF OUR OF OUR WORKFORCE THAT I'M GOING TO JUST SPEAK TO THE VERDE VALLEY.I OWN A RENTAL UNIT OVER THERE.
THEY PUT IT ON THE MARKET, AND I WILL HAVE 80 APPLICANTS WITHIN AN HOUR.
AND THEY ARE TEACHERS AND DISPATCHERS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN SOME SORT OF RV ACCOMMODATIONS.
SOME OF THEM ARE IN ONE OF THE WELL REGULATED PARKS, BUT SO MANY OF THEM ARE ALREADY DOING THIS SOMEWHERE AND HAVE BEEN FOR AS LONG AS THREE, 4 OR 5 YEARS.
I KNOW IT THROWS A WRENCH IN TO TALK ABOUT THE PAYING PIECE, BUT IT'S IT'S HAPPENING.
IT'S THE REALITY IN OUR COUNTY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE SORTS OF SCENARIOS, AND IN SOME CASES IT PROBABLY IS AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT OR CONSIDERATION FOR THE PEOPLE ALLOWING IT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
IT IS ALSO ENHANCING THEIR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY IN.
THIS IS ALL AGAIN, GOOD DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS TAKE BACK AND KIND OF DISTILL DOWN THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE TAKEN AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, AND REWORK THIS. AGAIN, THIS IS COMING BACK BEFORE YOU AS PART OF OUR PART OF THE PROCESS, OF COURSE.
SO IT'S COMING BACK BEFORE YOU AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT SURE THE DATE, BUT WE'LL TAKE THIS INFORMATION BACK, DISTILL IT DOWN AND AND PREVENT PRODUCE A REVISED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR YOUR APPROVAL OR FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION RATHER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, IN TERMS OF ROUND TABLE, I UNDERSTOOD THERE WAS SUPERVISOR OBERG HAD A HAD A POINT HE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD.
I KNOW DOWN IN MY RURAL AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT PROPERTY BEING SOLD OFF.
A LOT OF RANCHES ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT.
ARE THEY GOING TO REMAIN IN RANCHING BECAUSE OF VERY ONEROUS FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS? I TALKED TO ONE RANCHER AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, MY SONS ARE NOT AFRAID OF THE WORK.
THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT. THEY'RE JUST GETTING TIRED OF DEALING WITH ALL THE ONEROUS REGULATIONS AND WHAT IT TAKES AND LOSING MONEY ON ON CATTLE RAISING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO. SO I'M STARTING TO SEE SOME FAIRLY LARGE PARCELS BEING SOLD.
I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW WHETHER OR NOT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE RETAINED FOR GRAZING OR I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPERS THAT WOULD LOVE TO COME IN AND BUY THAT PROPERTY AND START PUTTING HOUSES ON IT.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF MANY PEOPLE IN MY PARTICULAR DISTRICT, AND IT MIGHT BE IN THE OTHER DISTRICTS TOO, IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO HOW DO THEY GET NOTIFICATION OF, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT GOING IN IN A TIMELY MANNER SO THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO, FIRST OF ALL, BE AWARE THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC PROCESS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE SO THAT THEY CAN COMMENT ON IT.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT I HAVE THAT ONE DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW, THE SANTA YNEZ RANCH.
AND BASICALLY THE CONCERN THERE IS, I GUESS SOME OF THE PEOPLE CALL UP TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, SAY, IS THERE A DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THERE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEARING THINGS.
WE'RE SEEING THINGS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, I GUESS, SAID BASICALLY THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY DID GET A LETTER OF INTENT.
NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THAT A LETTER OF INTENT HAS CHANGED.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE REALLY LAYING OUT CLEARLY TO PEOPLE THAT CALL IN WHAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DEVELOPED ON A PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A LETTER OF INTENT? YEAH, MAYBE THEY HAVEN'T MOVED PAST THAT.
THEY HAVEN'T GONE TO THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
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YNEZ, THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST PUT SOMETHING IN A NEWSPAPER, MANY PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT.IS THERE A MORE CONCRETE WAY TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF PUBLIC MEETING SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN GET THERE AND AND HEAR WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.
SO HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND HOW WOULD WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT? I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THE DISPUTE OF, YOU KNOW, THE THE PEOPLE IN A PARTICULAR AREA AND A DEVELOPER.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO DISCUSS THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT.
SURE. JUST LIKE TO DITTO THAT.
WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS PROBLEM.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING? I CALL YOU AND THE RESPONSE IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND YET WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.
AND THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S COMING ACROSS.
GIVES US A HEADS UP THAT THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED.
AND OR SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY GOT SOME KIND OF INTENT GOING ON.
IT'S LIKE HARRY'S WHEN HIS FIRST CAME OUT, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS INVOLVED.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE A MEETING.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THEY'RE TELLING ALL THESE PEOPLE THIS IS WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DO BECAUSE NOBODY'S TOLD US EVEN ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SO. WHEN THE OTHER WENT DOWN THERE.
YEAH. FOR SUPPLYING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN IN BAGHDAD.
THE MAN CAMP. AND YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT POP UP IF THEY'VE CALLED YOU AND THEY'VE TALKED TO YOU AND YOU'VE GIVEN THEM SOME INSIGHT ON WHAT THEIR PROCESS SHOULD BE, THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING UP THERE THAT SAYS, I NEED TO CALL.
FIVE FOUR. YOU TELL THEM, AT LEAST GIVE THEM A HEADS UP.
SOMETHING'S BEING DISCUSSED, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD.
SO SUPERVISOR OBERG AND SUPERVISOR BROWN, I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK WHEN WE GET SO I CAN JUST DESCRIBE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT IN IN THE BASIC DETAILS, SECTION 209 OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE LAYS OUT THE PUBLIC THE PUBLIC PROCESS PUBLIC NOTIFICATION PROCESS FOR PROJECTS. SO WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANT TO DO A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A PRE APP MEETING WITH US, PRE APPLICATION MEETING.
AND BASICALLY THAT MEETING IS YOU NEED TO GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
LISTEN TO THEIR LISTEN TO THEIR THEIR VALUES, WHATEVER THEIR VALUES OF THEIR COMMUNITY ARE.
LISTEN TO TO WHAT? AND THEN IDENTIFY WHAT WHAT AREAS YOU CAN ADDRESS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S TRAFFIC OR WATER OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THOSE CONCERNS ARE FOLLOWING THAT THEY ARE, THE DEVELOPER COMES BACK TO US WITH WHATEVER THEIR REVISED LETTER OF INTENT IS, WHATEVER THEIR WHATEVER THEIR FINAL PLAN IS, THEY COME BACK AND THEY APPLY FOR THAT PERMIT OR THEY APPLY.
REGARDLESS, THEY'RE GOING TO THE PUBLIC.
AND TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING AS WELL.
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OUT, COME TO YOU WITH THE BOARD.TYPICALLY WE WILL AS WE HAVE OUR OUR MONTHLY UPDATE MEETINGS.
TYPICALLY WE'LL BRING THOSE TO YOUR ATTENTION AS THEY'RE AS THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
A LOT OF THOSE LETTERS OF INTENT THAT WE RECEIVE ARE TEND TO BE FAIRLY SPECULATIVE.
SO IT ALSO HELPS IF YOU NOTIFY THE HOME BOARD, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET EMAILS FROM ONE PERSON TO FIVE OF US AND WE'RE ALL GOING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP DOWN THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSE THAT'S NECESSARY BY US BECAUSE WE SAY, WELL, THAT'S IN HARRY'S DISTRICT OR THAT'S IN JIM'S DISTRICT.
YEAH, IT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
INSTEAD OF ME MAKING A PHONE CALL TO YOU.
I ALREADY KNOW, RIGHT? YEAH. WELL TAKEN.
AND I THINK TOO, SOMETIMES IN THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHAT'S PUT OUT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE HYDROLOGY STUDY, HYDROLOGIC STUDY.
AND, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY HAVEN'T, BUT THEY MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE.
AND SO THEN I GET A LOT MORE CALLS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THIS ALREADY GET APPROVED TO THIS LEVEL? AND I HAVE TO SAY, WELL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN AN APPLICATION.
SO I JUST THINK WHAT I'M GETTING TO BASICALLY IS JUST A LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENCY TO THE BOARD AND MAYBE TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY CALL IN LETTING THEM KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE ISSUE STANDS.
YEAH. AND IT NEVER FAILS AND IT NEVER FAILS.
HARRY AND I WILL GET OR ALL OF US WILL GET THESE PHONE CALLS THAT SAYS, HOW COME I WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT THIS AND I HAVE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR? YEAH. AND I'M GOING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND YOU'VE GOTTEN YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN NOTICE.
AND THIS IS THAT OTHER ISSUE ON DISTANCE AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THOSE FOLKS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
RIGHT? RIGHT. AND TO YOUR POINT TO.
THEY HAVE TO DO MAIL OUTS TO ALL OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ADDRESS MORE OF MORE OF THOSE CONCERNS TOO, AS THEY AS THEY COME UP.
WELL, IF WE DIDN'T KNOW THEY GOT THE COME IN FOR THE INTENT AND THE PRE OKAY.
WE NEED TO KNOW FROM THE GET GO SO THAT ALL THREE OF THE THINGS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.
SO AND I AGREE THAT THE 2500FT NOW IS BETTER THAN IT WAS.
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.
I HAVE THAT ONE DOWN AT KIRKLAND.
IF 1000FT DOESN'T HARDLY GET OFF THE GUY'S PROPERTY.
SURE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, A HALF A MILE, IT WILL AFFECT A COUPLE OF THE FOLKS AROUND THERE.
THAT PROBABLY WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON IT.
AND OF COURSE, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
SO, RIGHT, AS YOU AS YOU KNOW.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S A IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE RURAL AREAS REALLY WANT TO REMAIN RURAL.
YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE IN MY AREA AND THEY SAY I LIVE OUT HERE FOR A REASON.
I KNOW I'M ON A, YOU KNOW, DRIVE FOR 30 MINUTES TO GET GAS OR GET A LOAF OF BREAD.
BUT I DON'T MIND THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO REMAIN RURAL.
AND I WOULD LIKE THIS AREA TO REMAIN RURAL AND NOT SEE ANY KIND OF DENSE DEVELOPMENT.
SO AND I THINK THAT'S OH, EXCUSE ME, I THINK THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT IN TIME SO THEY CAN LOOK INTO IT, SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT.
AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY THEY DEFINITELY WANT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE.
I'VE EVEN HEARD WHAT THE CHANCE OF PUTTING UP A LIGHTED SIGN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO PUT UP A LIGHTED SIGN BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT MISS WHAT'S ON THE LINE OR WHAT'S IN THE PAPER, BUT IF THERE'S A LIGHT, A SIGN PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT PROPERTY FOR A WEEK, YOU KNOW, THE BIG MESSAGE BOARD SIGNS THAT WOULD DEFINITELY GET PEOPLE'S INTEREST, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I USE THAT RIGHT NOW FOR MY MY TOWN HALLS.
AND IT'S DEFINITELY INCREASED MY ATTENDANCE.
ARE YOU FOLLOWING THE LUMENS? YES, I AM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU PROBABLY COULD SEE HIM.
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THOSE ARE THOSE ARE GOOD, GOOD POINTS.I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK I'LL MAKE.
WE'LL CONSIDER THE MESSAGE BOARD, TOO.
YES. YEAH. WE'RE TAKING THIS UNDER DARK SKY ORDINANCE.
YEAH. AS LONG AS IT MEETS OF PUBLIC WORKS AND TALK TO THEM.
ORDINANCE. WE'RE THE LAST ONES THAT CAN VIOLATE THAT.
I'M. THOSE WERE THE TWO POINTS I KNEW OF FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION AND ROUND TABLE.
UNLESS THERE. UNLESS THERE ARE OTHERS, MR. CHAIRMAN. ANY OTHERS? OKAY WITH THAT? I THINK WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE FOR SHOWING UP TODAY.
AND IT'S BEEN A PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.